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Jazz for aficionados

Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
orpheus10
frogman
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O-10, thank you for the recent even-handed and reasonable posts/responses.  There's really little I can disagree with in your recent posts directed at me.  Our "lovey-dovey" (to quote Ghosthouse) loses a bit of steam in your last post (to Ghosthouse) however.  It is not that I am "so persistent" re objectivity in music.  From my vantage point, the truth is that you are so persistent re subjectivity in music.  Both subjectivity and objectivity can have a place in how music is perceived.  I bring up the subject of objectivity (in CERTAIN ASPECTS of music), almost without exception in response to your claim of subjectivity.  

BTW, I think you give me too much credit.  I have read many comments here that point to a good understanding of some of the "technical" aspects of music.  Still, I think we are moving toward a better understanding of each other's point of view.  Can't argue with that.  Regards.

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rok2id
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There is no relationship between 'knowledge' and 'taste'.   Every piece of NOISE ever written, was written and played by people who knew more about music than anyone on this thread, save the oracle of NYC.

Music is neither good or bad, until it reaches the ear/brain system.  The decision is made at that time.

Billy Ocean -- Great stuff at the right time and place.   Not for serious listening, but perfect for the disco dance floor.   Brings back the memories.  But given the visuals, who would think to critique the music?

Also we should consider WHY music was written / created.   Some change is gradual and logical, and some is deliberate, for various reasons.   For instance, why, did Miles start playing crap?  I consider that when I judge music.

Other than all these errors, I agree with you all.

Cheers



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ghosthouse
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There is no relationship between ’knowledge’ and ’taste’.

Music is neither good or bad, until it reaches the ear/brain system.

Rok - You sincerely believe those statements as absolutes? Or are you being your (sometimes) trademark-provocative-and-truculent-bad-self?

Taste is definitely something that can be informed by knowledge and cultivated.
AND, while there’s certainly a lot of mental processing that critics and peers will bring to bear while listening to a given composition or performance, there are also objective elements in judging the same that are rooted in music theory and the musical score.  These stand independent of the internal responses of the audience.




frogman
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Ghosthouse, congratulations! Your indoctrination into the "Hall Of Aficionados" is now complete ("hazing" in some quarters) 😊.

(Great post, btw.)

Rok, glad to see all is well (normal). I need not worry any longer.
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ghosthouse
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Thanks for the recognition, Frogman.

"Writing clarifies thought." Not sure who first said that but Lord knows I need lots of clarifying.

More than trying to win a debate, I really am interested in where Rok is coming from with his statements. I expect he’s got some valid points though maybe overstated as originally written.

I’m a little more favorably disposed towards Scofield after further listening to his collaboration with MMW as on Juice. Seems like they were made for one another. A Go Go, even though another with MMW, just didn’t sound that great to me. Did not realize he had been guitarist for Miles. That’s a big endorsement. I have to go back and see what recordings he was on. Miles along with John Mayall and Alexis Korner...it’s like these guys were running incubators for musical talent - so many now-well-known names got their starts in their bands.
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