Do equipment stands have an impact on electronics?

VIbrations are vibrations except some can be eliminated and some not.   You have to identify the source and determine if can be removed or not.   If so, remove it.   If not, tehn do what one will to deal with it as needed.

We can agree on that.   If teh source is the earth's seismic activity, it is what it is and one can determine whether they need care or not.

mapman
"VIbrations are vibrations except some can be eliminated and some not. You have to identify the source and determine if can be removed or not. If so, remove it. If not, tehn do what one will to deal with it as needed.

We can agree on that. If teh source is the earth’s seismic activity, it is what it is and one can determine whether they need care or not."

Sorry, but IMHO that’s quite an oversimplification of what this particular thread is really all about. I don’t agree that we should be so dismissive.

Let’s summarize, shall we? We have two points of view - one that ignores seismic type vibrations and claims the only source of vibration that matters to the sound is the induced vibration from the component, including vibration resulting from the mechanical acoustic waves striking the component. The other side of the argument, I.e., your humble scribe, is that all vibration is BAD for the sound, *especially low frequency structureborne vibration. The simple glass of water experiment perfectly demonstrates how powerful the seismic type vibrations actually are. Yet, I also address induced vibration in my designs and philosophy. See the difference? Of course anyone is free to ignore anything. I just happen to think that's uh, ignorant.

So, actually it’s not helpful to the discussion nor does it move the discussion forward to use expressions like, "vibration is vibration" or "it is what it is." Obviously there are folks who don’t consider everything or try to fix the numerous problems we know exist in high end audio. But hiding one’s head in the sand is not really a smart option IMHO. Are we supposed to be contented cows?

If seismic vibration is actually not an issue for high end audio how come at least 10,000 audiophiles have bought Vibraplane isolation stands? It’s not logical, Captain.

mapman
"gk your recall and logic are both flawed. You collect your facts selectively and draw conclusions as you see fit.

My position is on the record. Not expecting your endorsement.

Mapman out."

Not expecting my endorsement? I don’t even know what the heck you’re talking about.

Geoffkait over and out

Mapman stated - "gk your recall and logic are both flawed. You collect your facts selectively and draw conclusions as you see fit.

I totally agree with you mapman. He attempts to provide so much information (which is a good thing) but then takes parts of the discussion totally out of context for his own purpose only to argue or belittle his rival.

Just one Example of the many: Mr. Kait says -

“Funny. 88% reduction at 20 Hz is NOT normal. You guys apparently still don’t understand isolation or what a low pass filter actually is. What is not mentioned in the report - but is obviously the case - is that at frequencies higher than 20 Hz the isolation effectiveness is even higher than 88%, for purposes of discussion circa 97% at 30 Hz and 99.5% at 40 Hz.  Those number are fairly typical of ANY reasonably good mass-on-spring isolation device. Furthermore, it’s as obvious as the nose on your face that the 88% reduction was compared to the case without the isolation. You guys just can’t seem to catch a break. ;-)”

His Keywords are WHAT IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE REPORT - But Obviously the Case is....

Mr. Kait is making an argument that has no basis. He is making nothing more than a very large assumption. At the end of the day, the topic in conversation was to provide our opinion on independent third-party testing where this test was not. Therefore the data has no value outside of good marketing.

Mr. Kait should have come back when he or they have an actual formal third-party report that doesn't have homemade Microsoft XL graphs and poorly defined language. Then he could claim independent results that carry weight.

Mr. Kait says -

“http://www.solid-tech.net/products/discs-of-silence-4537455 Finally! Someone was smart enough to copy my original Nimbus Sub Hertz Isolation platform design;”  

Accusing Solid-Tech of being a copycat is really, really low. Please provide us any Patents or a Trademark on the original design that supports such a statement. 

Mr. Kait, in my opinion you tend to lower the bar wherever you go even when a mistake is made and apology follows.

Example:

Mr. Kait hammers back after an apology is made  - “Sorry to hear about your memory. If my memory serves it’s actually you who has been doing most of the name calling. In fact if I strip away the name calling and attitude and shilling of your products from the majority of your posts here there’s really not that much left. So that would make you a liar. A liar with a bad memory. If you can’t keep up with the discussion can I respectfully suggest you find someone who can?”

Calling anyone a liar is far below that of whale crap, so unless you provide undeniable evidence to back your claim, I suggest you go play daddy on someone else. Mr. Kait, you are stepping on thin ice here, liable for slander and defamation of character. Next time we will defend via other means.

I have related to you in comedic fashion on a few posts, feeling the need to 'reply in kind' to your 'observations' on the people posting, our company personnel and myself included (tit for tat) - but leave the audience to determine who the name caller is or better yet, anyone can review any of your historical 4,000+ posts in order to assist with their decision. You have been doing this long before my personal involvement on this forum. In my opinion, if you cannot on occasion take some of your own medicine, you might want to visit someone who can help you become a more positive person.

In audio - “product performance” and “value” always trumps the written opinions of anyone, anywhere, anytime and anyplace... including those who personally ridicule or insult others (accidently or directly) on this forum  that are seeking personal gain, self or company recognition, self satisfaction or whatever they were never able to accomplish in life (everyone included).

Very truly yours,

Robert - Star Sound

Whatever. 

I'm just a music lover and curious reader always interested to learn something new that might help.  Happens much easier with some and not so easily with others.  Ob la di, ob la da....