Just wondering...


Sorry about the poor choice for the title but I just couldn’t compress my question into only a few words. I’ve been watching A’gon to find a good deal for a decent DAC in the $1K price range to improve my CD listening experience. As I look through the listings, I see DACs priced in tens of thousands - saw a Boulder 2020 with retail price of $32K listed for $15K. Probably an awesome bargain for somebody. To some degree I can understand speakers selling for crazy prices partly justified by their sound as well as their "furniture" value. I’m also sure a $20K pair of speakers will still sound incredible ten years from now. I can even sort of get amplifiers being a little crazy in price but they seem to last forever, at least technology-wise. I’m still loving my 35 year old McIntosh amp but can’t imagine using the same DAC even three or five years from now. What am I missing? Can a $32K DAC sound that different from a $1K DAC?

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" High End home audio is extremely dishonest business and it's blown like a soap bubble."

Only if you don't know what you're doing. If you let someone sell you a 32k dac, you're an idiot. At that level, you need the skills to make the decision yourself, or you have no business buying it to begin with.

Most people that think high end audio is an extremely dishonest business, come to this conclusion because they made bad choices. The term snake oil seems to be a popular label for expensive audio products. But what most people forget about snake oil, is that its relative. Here's an example. A friend of mine who loves music but doesn't know much about the equipment, wanted to upgrade his system and asked me for advice. After looking at his system, I thought a new CD player would be the best place to start, so I lent him one of mine. It was far more expensive than what his current player costs, and he never heard of the brand. He seemed a bit nervous, but I told him to relax. The whole point of me lending him a player was so he doesn't make an expensive mistake.

I said to use the player for a week or so, and report back when he formed an opinion. To make a long story short: Snake oil. He couldn't tell the difference between his player and mine. I was a bit surprised when he told me this so I went over to listen to his system. I had no problem hearing the differences between the 2. 

So, was my expensive CD player that sells for 7x more than my friends really snake oil? I don't think so, but my friend did. The cheap CD player was a Sony 5 disc changer($100), and the expensive one was my Rotel RCD-1072 ($700). In the audiophile world, the Rotel is considered to be one of the best budget CD players of all time. TAS gave it product of the year. Not budget product of the year, but actual product of the year which competes with everything, regardless of price. Its all relative.
Does not cost anywhere near $32K to make a great sounding DAC.

Some of the most highly regarded ones like Benchmark for example cost $1000 or so.

I have an mhdt DAC that is very competitive I picked up for $300 used.

So what do you get for teh extra $$$s?

Good question.

I’ve heard very expensive DCS DACs used in 6 digit systems that were very good indeed but could not say they were really much if any better than the ones most people who care about good sound use. I do not feel I am missing much if anything of real value by not having one.

But like most boutique items its a value judgement and I'm sure some with the $$$s to spend will find their value in pricier DACs to go along with all the rest.

IS Donald Trumps DAC gold plated for example?
mb1audio02

True you need to know what you're doing, but some of us don't and that's where real industry kicks in for mega profits.

That’s where simple math kills all the science behind:
calculate parts + chassis + labor and you’ll get max of $800 for that $32k ’state of art’ advertised piece of home audio playa.
Then you can proudly say weather it’s worth it or not.

I have no doubt that a $32K DAC will sound better than a $1K DAC, even when tried in a mid-fi system like mine. Also, after rereading my original post in light of all the great input from experienced folks, I realized I had naiively assumed that Moor's Law more or less applied to digital sources. I suppose it does to certain components within the "box" but there are a lot more that goes into making an expensive  DAC sound the way it does. I'll probably never have the opportunity to personally experience this but like everything else, its generally better to buy a high quality older component than an average quality newer one.  

jond - The piece you posted is very temping....