When and how did you, if at all, realize vinyl is better?


Of course I know my own story, so I'm more curious about yours.  You can be as succinct as two bullets or write a tome.  
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But both are not detailed specific related aspects, they are generalizations... and are laid on top of the scenario as if they are the perfected fundamentals of the question or equation.

Since the question obviously remains unanswered in a way clear enough for all involved, they are obviously not the specifics of a totally functional question.
As best I can make out this statement is false.

We know that the ear converts distortion into tonality. Further, we know the kinds of distortions made by digital and analog systems.

We also know that the ear is tuned to be most sensitive at birdsong frequencies (Fletcher Munson). So any distortions occurring in that range will be easily detected by the ear.

The distortions of analog tend to be harmonics of the input signal.

The distortions of digital tend to be intermodulations between the scan frequency and the signal (aliasing).

Analog systems tend to lower ordered harmonics (particularly in the case of the LP, where the mastering process makes very little distortion; most of it occurs in playback). These tend to be less audible to the ear and are interpreted as 'warmth'.

The distortion (aliasing) of digital systems manifests as 'birdies'- so called because that's exactly what they sound like. These tend to be higher in frequency, and since the ear generally uses higher ordered harmonics as loudness cues and because the ear is particularly sensitive in this range, and also because the ear converts distortion into tonality, the result is a 'crispness', a brightness inherent in the recording.

Analog hiss, ticks and pops are not always inherent, and often sit in the speaker while the music itself exists in three dimensions. Thus its possible to listen past such artifacts (keeping in mind that the phono preamp can be a major contributor to ticks and pops if it has an unstable design, which is quite common), whereas with digital, the artifact is pretty well built into the resulting signal.

I am confident that this will change in time- it already has changed a lot since the bad old days of digital. Were this difference not there, digital would have replaced analog long ago, no looking back and no mistake and no endless analog digital debate (which is older than the Internet).

So in spite of my long diatribe, you really don't have to know anything more than the fact that analog is still very much here and alive when it really shouldn't be. The market likes it and kept it around for a reason.

So we can answer unequivocally that the highlighted statements are false and that we really do in fact have an answer on this. 

Industry wise, source wise, we’re looking at the takeover of the market by the one hit wonder.

A one hit wonder that will likely become a multimillionare overnight from said one hit.

The current leaderboard example of this coming trait, is in that most wired of countries, Korea. It is PSY, with ’Gangnam Style’.

Politics, business, and anything else you care to mention will move in the same direction. We’re seeing it happen now.

As the physical basis of memory and recollection in the masses is decreased to zero, their societal and cultural anchor points will be loosened and they can be changed (slowly) into whatever is of the will of the hands at the given controls.

Humanity will begin shifting fast in the next few decades. The question is into what. The physical mechanism of life in humans cannot change all that fast but the clothes of society and culture can change fairly quickly, in comparison. We now know, in recent work gone public (there is likely considerable work that may not be public) from multiple branches of medicine and similar areas (ie, genetics) that humans can change their genes fairly quickly and it is possible and in every person, that some minimum change in genetics can and does happen in the single lived life. Never mind that of passed on generational changes. So a careful manipulation of a society in a state of impermanence, ie a life in digital reflection, can and will inform genetics. It is our history that prevents this or slows it from occurring as quickly as it is truly capable of.

It’s like having the only copy of a program in active memory. If systems crash or mods and alterations fail or cause grief, there’s nothing left to recover. In such a scenario, the back-up is the physical reality of the physicality of the genotype in action. Which, at the given time, may not have a functional overlay in the thrust of the given society and culture.

This coming scenario, planned or not... will be taken advantage of by interested groups. Splits in humanity, or separations in to groupings that did not previously exist, may be the new norm. 500 years from now, we may have a new form of separation of genotypes that is so pronounced that it is easily recognizable and labelled. New science says it is not only possible and that minimal forms of it have always been happening, albeit in an atmosphere of noise so great that it levels out to moving toward a near zero. A micro upward trend, in some given direction. What we call evolution in an atmosphere of complexity.

The coming fluid or greased societies and cultures of a truly digital age, will allow for this phenomena to emerge in a more obvious fashion. The alpha-beta-delta-gamma nightmare, in it’s genesis point, possibly.

If those groups (of manipulators of scenarios) be nationalized, expect a nightmare of conflict, as the given manipulators, being humans, will make mistakes in their assessments of what they desire -and what they do.

Your records and CD’s going missing are only a small component of the signs of what is to come. They are a critical one, as they are about human desires and emotions, in the flow of life. Which are core components of human life. These sort of components (emotions and desires) are a core point in the how and why of those given genetic changes over time and in the given lifetime. It is most pronounced in the changes of the sperm of the male, at the time of fertilization. The male and it's life stresses and conditions prior to and in the production of sperm... are what enables these the most pronounced of these noted changes. That your stresses in life, at the moment of conception, informs your child's genetics. The past -70-100 years of conflict in the middle east serves as a potential example of how this works. There are other areas of the world that can show this effect, but the current one on most people's minds -who may be reading this- is of the Middle east. Baby boomers from war zones were actually the test bed that illustrated the genetic changes in sperm - as a reality.

So it becomes and audiophile (mostly male) scenario and question, to at least a small degree. Know what you are living through. Know what you are witnessing.

Music has always been that of living memory, so it is somewhat immune, in some ways, regarding manipulation. But digital overlays, a VR overlay of a sort, is a thing we are undergoing regarding this ’memory over time’ aspect of electronic music and the scenario surrounding it.

No answers here, just a logical expansion of the questions into their true space or envelope of connectivity in the overall human scenario.
Teo_audio are you speaking of genetic engineering in humans? Or epigenetics? Or both? 

Might I suggest using the term phenotype instead of the bulky 'the physical reality of the physicality of the genotype'? Unless you meant something other than phenotype by that phrase.
We're already seeing self selection of genes based on wealth.. I wonder what types of genetic correlations we'll see within these self selected groups. And if/when those differences become isolated and pronounced enough to produce what would be considered two separate species
I’m not an expert in the technical language or the exact descriptors, so my descriptions will be fraught with errors, misconveyed meaning, etc.. But the shape of the issue or considerations involved in this, can be seen. Look at the what is outlined, not at the technical language couching issues.

I apologize for not being perfect. (non-emoted statement, nothing intended) I’m trying to show that...the reality of what digital audio as a world of music and life in general is.. that this question and answer can be seen as a part of a story that is much greater. That this music scenario is just a symptom, a sign, etc.

When genetic testing costs and associated factors began to drop to the levels it is at today, scientists could embark on these more detailed and complex questions, with some form of answer now being possible to emerge.

IIRC, they may have started with stressing populations of mice. And then doing genetic testing generationally, and correlating back to the complex social behaviors in these captive populations.

They found all the correlation they thought they might, in human populations that have undergone much stressing, regarding upheaval and change.

Never mind things like the idea of a viral injection into a group as a vehicle for genetic shifting, or choosing genetics of a child, and so on...which are already strong possibilities and even realities... with today’s known science. That’s a totally separate question that can be included as backdrop addition, but likely not suitable for this forum.

That can of worms being opened has also shown this far faster shift in humans via environment, which is connected to the music in a visceral fashion. Eg, we’ve recently found via the sciences, that humans seem to process music in the same part of the brain we process and deal with sex. Which is core. As core as it gets. Total reptile base level stuff.

Which helps explain the issues that erupt on audio forums like this. The reptile brain takes over and disarms and defeats the so called consciousness aspects of the human. After all, that’s it’s job. Consciousness is a privilege or aspect of a complex social/environmental scene, it is not a core requirement for species survival.


Just to be clear, this is the Ken Hotte portion of Teo Audio, not Taras. So if you encounter Taras at a show... this little conversational bit is mine, not his. ;)