Speaker match for PrimaLuna Dialogue Premium HP Integrated?


Hey Guys,
Wondering about speaker match for PrimaLuna Dialogue Premium HP Integrated.
Using KT150 and Mullard CV4003. So maybe 50 watts in triode and 100 watts in ultralinear.
Don't like ultralinear much. (GeorgeHiFi linked some curves showing ringing in ultralinear:
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/primaluna-dialogue-premium-hp-tube-rolling-suggestions-to-red...)
Setup is in a small room currently. Had used Revel F206 (which I still have) and now Zu Druid MK IV.
Revels sound pretty good but I don't think they show their best with limited tube power.
Plenty of power for the Druid, and it sounds pretty good but response curve seems uneven to me.
So Revel nice response curve but a little tame. Druid pretty lively/ fun but uneven tonal balance.
Anyone have a particular favorite speaker match up for that amp in the $3K-$5K range?

leotis
I had the Druid v's and I currently own def 4's which are in my 2nd system.

I upgraded both as much as possible and tried several amp combinations over a period of time and I came to the conclusion that the frd doesn't measure flat and has a bump up in frequency around 2k to 4K,just a shortcoming to the mechanical crossover to the whizzer cone.

They are a very lively and vivid speaker especially the def's having 2 frd.

I recently moved to the Tekton double impact and couldn't be happier.
Tekton does make several smaller models that you might check out for your smaller room.

Kenny.
I’ve been enjoying my HP for 3 years.

Using specs on paper to match with the HP or any amp makes perfect sense. Especially when playing with gear with pricing that STARTS in the thousands!

You really (if you have the opportunity) need to just demo as many as you can with your amp. Bring it to a showroom if possible. Yeah, it’s a back breaker, but 5k to me, is a lot of dough to not be picky and choose what my ears like, not what’s "right" on a spec sheet.

On paper, many different speaker designs are not optimal yet plugged in, they may sound great to you.

Ive read posts stating ML stats won’t sound good with the PL, yet others(including myself) disagree.

I have sealed floorstanders. Mine are however, 7 years old. For the money they sound great. The updated model (Opera Seconda) is not a sealed cabinet,with a supplied plug for personal tuning. They are allegedly a notch or two better, sonically. They are at the top of your budget. Italian build with nice veneer and leather. I think the latest version is faux leather.

An upgrade possibly years end will be the Sonus Faber Venere S in walnut. Or, I may do some stats,if I find a great deal. Both can be had in your budget. I don’t suggest them for you however.I would just get out and try to hear as many different models and let your ears be the final judge.

The PL HP seems to be a popular subject line lately.


With the Prima Luna in 4ohm triode mode which is it’s healthier looking output, you haven’t got a lot of grunt there to play with.
I think out of the two speakers you mentioned the Druid is by far the better match impedance wise and efficiency wise if you like their sound.
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/zu20/plot1_big.png

To me I would like the Revels better, "with the right amp" but this graph of the 208 is said to be similar to the 206 as you can see there are current hungry loads at 30hz and 60-150hz and again at 3khz all with highish -phase angles.
https://www.stereophile.com/images/714R208fig1.jpg

My suggestion is to keep the Revels and get the right amp, which will then drive "most" things down the track.

Cheers George
Actually, I think we're confusing two different models with the measurements on the ringing.  If I'm not mistaken, the Stereophile measurements cited in the previous post were taken with the Dialogue Premium Amp, not the "HP" version and not the integrated.  

The Premium HP integrated was also reviewed by Stereophile, and it was given a pretty clean bill of health.  JA says it measured well for a P/P amp using EL34s.  That's not to say that you don't hear brightness, but it might be elsewhere in the system if you have the Integrated HP.

Best, Scott