My jazz collection told me to get a *real* system


So I’m determined to put together my first serious analog system, having subsisted on entry-level NAD TT, integrated and phono amp for over 10 years. My tastes are very eclectic, but I’ve put together a nice jazz collection and that’s what’s really crying out. I’m looking at a budget of about $8K over the next 12-18 months. Yeah, that’s the trick: This ain’t gonna happen over night. But I’m willing to be patient with imbalances in my system as long as I’m headed in the right direction. And I’d rather go the route of buying the gear I really want for the long term rather than stop gaps and labor intensive upgrade paths etc. My life just doesn’t have room for that.

N.B.: Looking to stay SS, likely integrated+phono preamp configuration. Really just talking about the table, cart, and amplification ... speakers and ICs are OK for now.

Questions:
1) How would you divvy up the dough?
2) In what order would you buy the components?
3) Top 3 recommendations within each component category?
4) Other crucial considerations?

Appreciate the wisdom!
128x128jazztherapist
Thanks, Rich! I'll look into the PL.
I would suggest the following top of the line Prima Luna tube integrated as the anchor of your new system. It should last 20 years, if not longer. It is certainly powerful enough for most speakers. PL makes tube ownership easy with adaptive bias. PL probably offers a phono preamp board for this amp.

https://www.upscaleaudio.com/collections/primaluna/products/primaluna-dialogue-premium-hp-integrated-amplifier

You have to start somewhere. Good Luck with it all.


Rich
 


jazztherapist-this is a VERY good piece for the money, has a decent  phonostage,basically plug and play.

I would offer the guy $3500. Amp
http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649194389-dialogue-premium-hp-integrated-amplifier/

offer $2500 for this table-http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649352700-vpi-prime-turntable-w-3d-arm/ 

get this for a LOMC-http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649376407-kampk-audio-mocing-coil-step-up-transformer/images/1630...

spend $1k for a new cart-https://www.lpgear.com/product/ATART9.html

If you can bump your limit, this  outboard phono stage will be the game changer, offer $1400
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/phono-fosgate-signature-mm-mc-phono-stage-preamplifier-3147-2017-0...

3500 amp
2500 table
200 step up
1000cart
$7200 and you will have a GREAT set up.

Forgo the step up transformer, get the phonostage, you have a SMOKIN setup for a total of $8400.

Save $3-5k for used  REALLY NICE speakers or whatever....DONE.

Cables...appropriate what you can, good deals used. You can deal with that stuff later. Your speakers will sound amazing with this setup.

This thread confirms the PL HP's performance against an 8k ARC amp.
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/considering-switching-from-audio-research-to-primaluna-troube...

I attended this shootout. I also own this amp and phonostage.

With your speakers and decent inexpensive cable, you will have a great sounding system to listen to while you're figuring where to put your money on nice speakers.

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for similar music I am using Belles Soloist 1 Integrated, Odyssey Khartago Extreme Amp, Salk SongTowers, Dynaudio Focus 220 mkll, Musical Surrounding Phenomena Phono...works well for me, and well within your budget...unfamiliar with turntables in your price range...
Hi jazz,

I listen to most types of music but jazz is primary for me.

Good audio systems are complex because of the interrelationships between so many of the individual components.  The cartridge should be matched with the tonearm (mass and resonance), the phono stage (whether separate or integrated) with the cartridge, the preamp or line stage with the amp (both for gain and impedance match), the amp with the speakers (power, impedance curve, damping, sonics), and the speakers with your room (placement and size considerations, radiation pattern) and sonic tastes.  Underlying all that is the cost for each and how to allocate funds, plus wiring, room treatments, power line quality, and software maintenance (with LPs some type of record cleaning device seems essential).

With all that, I agree with inna, one should start by choosing speakers.  Two reasons for that.  One, they will likely have the greatest impact on your resulting sonic pleasure.  And #2 if you start at the other end of the system chain you can paint yourself into a corner (hardly ever good for speaker placement ;^) ) with limited speaker choices.

For a very general guideline with a total $8K budget I would look at speakers between $2 and 3K.  But will you look only at new or can used be considered as well?  Just keep in mind you could find something costing less than $2K so don't feel locked in to a specific price point.

a tube pre with a SS amp will be fine and give you the euphonic sound people are urging

that's what I use with my Maggie 3.7i's - and they Maggies are xlnt for jazz

1.7s would fit your budget