Tube preamp recommendations $3K-$7K range


I am considering replacing my solid state preamp with a tube pre. I plan keep my solid state amp. Also, my DAC/PSU are tubed. Am looking in the $3K-$7K range. Based on reviews and audio forums, I have narrowed my search to the three units below:

PrimaLuna DiaLogue Premium
Backert labs Rhythm or Rhumba Extreme
Modwright LS 36.5

A bit of background: I purchased my Haflers in the mid '80's (!) to replace my venerable Marantz college dorm unit (along with Polk SDA2's to replace no-name bookshelf units an audiophile uncle bequeathed to me. I vividly recall his aquamarine glowing McIntosh amp, Thorens turntable and Thiel floor standers that were as tall as I was at the time...)

The dealer had modded the Haflers by Musical Concepts, which was my first exposure to John Hillig's work.

Last year I invested in Musical Concepts' most recent Hafler upgrades for my amp, preamp and cdp. Not much is written online about John's mods, but to my ear the improvement was astounding in every way my ear could measure. Since that time, I've continued on the upgrade path to my current system with which I am very happy.

Yet, I am curious about what tubes will do to my system. My current system (with which I am very satisfied) is:

Hafler DH 220 Amp/Musical Concepts PA6 Elite Ultra Mod
Hafler DH 110 Preamp/ Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod
Musical Concepts modded Rotel 1072 CDP//Musical Concepts Elite Mod
Modwright tube modded Oppo Sonica DAC with Modwright external tube PSU

Harbeth m30.1 monitors
Dual HSU VTF1 MK3 subs
DSpeaker Anti-Mode 8033-S

Fidelizer Nimitra Computer Audio Server as Roon core
Fidelizer Nikola LPS

Goertz BP 1000 VA Balanced Power Conditioner
Furutech e-TP60 Power Distribution Unit

After market ICs/PCs:
Wywires Silver Juice II PCs and Modwright Umbilical
Shyunyata Venom 14 PC
Synergistic Research Element Tungsten and Accelerator ICs and PCs with Michael Spallone V2 modded MPCs

WDMycloud NAS

Listening room for near field listening is 12x10x8; opens to larger living area where I do much listening as well.

I welcome any input or recommendations you may have.
Regards,
Daniel


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Jaybe & Randy-11 - I've read numerous threads stating ARC gear sounds it's best in balanced configuration (requiring XLR interconnects).  Is this true?  If so, that would be good for the original poster to know.

I too have heard good things about Don Sach's preamps.  I've yet to hear one, but I'm intrigued with his use of 6SN7 tubes which allows one to tweak the sound with tube rolling.  They also have a retro/vintage look that is cool.

I've been using Aesthetix Calypso preamps for probably 6 years... initially with the base Calypso and now with the Signature version Calypso.   Best preamp I've used in my 17 years as an audiophile.  Responds well when fed a diet of high quality NOS tubes and very reliable in my experience.   The base version can be had used for around $2,500 (allow $600 for some premium NOS tubes) and the Signature version is harder to find used, but can be had for around $3,600 if you are patient.

Hi Daniel,
I think you have a really nice set up. If you are happy with it Don't change it. But if you must... from what I have read I think you have gotten some really solid advice. So you have time on your side to research.  I am adding a few options to explore. 

Rogue is very powerful, Dynamic friendly to tube rolling.
http://www.rogueaudio.com/Products_RP7.htm

Stage 3 Concepts is a fantastic cable company. They build great power cords. Add this on to any preamp/ amp, its like adding another component.
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/ac-cables-extreme-audio-power-cables-15-a-us-plug-1-5m-length-2017...

Add this to your existing preamp and it will most likely give you what your looking for.
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/ac-cables-1-5m-mint-2017-12-15-power
Enjoy the search, Good Luck
I had an idea to design a little remote controlled motorized thing that had a wheel with a rubber belt that would go around any volume knob and presto!…all preamps now could be turned up and down remotely. I was going to call it the "Knobulator." Now I don’t care, but maybe I should revisit that…remote mute is also important as my wife always says stuff to me while I’m listening to music and I have to mute or I could miss something important…like "the car is on fire" or "I’m leaving you for Clem." Also, I like Teflon caps as eggs don't stick to them.
Lots of great input, thanks. Lots of familiar names and some unfamiliar products for me research.

@hifiman5 and  @1marker: Joe at The Cable Company gives a strong recommendation to Backert Labs as well. Mentioned that he relied on Bob Backert for his CJ maintenance for many years.  He also suggested Rogers Hi Fidelity. I'd never heard of them. Their reviews are outstanding but they only make integrateds.

@ggc and @hifiman5 : As I am generally satisfied with my system, I'm thinking now along the lines of "tweaking" or "enhancing" my current sound with further mods, rather than swapping out my pre. It's a lesser cost option and I must say I trust John Hillig's ear and his work to date.

Along those lines, Musical Concepts offers two additional upgrades to my already tricked-out Hafler DH 110 pre.  One upgrade is their MC-3  circuit board mod.  This is what their website says about it:

From Musical Concepts re the circuit board mod:
...Phono, line stage and four individual power supplies are on board. Preamps with the MC-3 board are often accused of sounding tube-like, vividly three dimensional and very dynamic while retaining a solid bass authority.
  • Phono stage with excellent RIAA response
  • Adjustable DC offset in phono eliminates need for output capacitor
  • DC-Coupled line stage with very wideband performance
  • Totally discrete transistor circuitry, no ICs
  • Totally dual-mono construction on one board
  • Dual-Mono regulated power supply
  • Dual-Mono power rail distribution
  • Power and signal ground systems independent by channel...

The circuit board upgrade requires the OPS-8 external dual mono PSU as well.


Musical Concepts on the dual mono external PSU:

...Expect excellent dynamics, low noise, tonal purity, maintenance of distinct instrumental clarity at even high volumes...

http://www.musicaldesign.com/MC_Haf_premod.html

@hifiman5 : A less costly approach (new circuit board is $800), would be to just add the external PSU to the pre. I agree that the Modwright modded Oppo Sonica with Dan's tube rectified external PSU is magical improvement on the stock Oppo.  That said, I've read conflicting reports on the benefits of adding and external PSU to preamps.  Any thoughts? 

I'm not a tech guy, so specs are not terribly meaningful to me.  However, I trust what MC has done with my Haflers to date, and may invest in this "final tweak" to my solid state preamp. Downside of course is that any return on mods is lost in the used market. 

Thanks all.