We Need A Separate Forum for Fuses

cleeds - It’s fair to question positive results.

gdhal Absolutely. This is why it behooves those who claim to hear an improvement when an ordinary fuse/wire is reversed to be honest with themselves and do a blind test (i.e. a test where ones ears are the only sensory organ involved)

I think those reporting what they hear are being completely honest. They have no obligation to provide additional substantiation to you at all. You can continue to repeat your demands that others do such testing, but it's pretty clear they're not going to comply.  Of course, you're free to conduct your own tests. If you do, please share the protocol and results here. it could be part of what you call being honest.

There are those who think others "owe" them something. In your case, gdhal, you insist others owe you some kind of "proof" that you deem acceptable. It's odd that you think that way, rather than simply just use your judgment to dismiss claims you find dubious.

 

nonoise

To behoove is to state that it is the responsibility or duty for a person to do something. That is flat out ridiculous on it's face.  No one owes you anything save for relating what they hear(d).

If you doubt it, it is your responsibility to test it for yourself, which you consistently refuse to do.

Exactly. It is no more complicated than that. It is just such a puzzle that those who claim the mantel of science resist conducting themselves a valid test to substantiate their claims, or to even discuss here how such a test might be conducted. It's difficult for me to imagine it's for any reason other than to be argumentative.

^Well, I thought I made it clear that I'm not demanding anything (i.e. no one owes me any proof, etc.) to support the impossible. Hearing a difference when an ordinary fuse/wire is reversed falls into the category of impossible, by my definition. And, by your own statements, I don't need to submit any proof what-so-ever that it is in fact impossible.

Just pointing out that one should be honest *with themselves*. If you truly believe and are content with "I hear a difference" irrespective of anything else, then more power to you. Besides, it's your money.

Speaking of which..... 

@geoffkait

"I’m going to do something I don’t usually do and that’s help out the pseudo skeptics."

Holy crap Geoff, is it Backwards Day? Since you are being charitable with your knowledge today, can you please explain what is this "careful testing"? Is this the opposite of "reckless testing"? Does one need to conduct "careful testing" when evaluating products that,

"do affect the sound but not in the conventional sense, as they do not affect the audio signal anywhere"

There is obviously a lot involved with this audio stuff....

psychological effects
placebo effects
expectation bias
tricks of the mind
psyching yourself out
pseudo skeptic line
conscious effects
subconscious influences
physical effects

Will tomorrow’s lesson include metaphysical effects?
What if I just want to turn on my stereo and listen?

^Well, I thought I made it clear that I'm not demanding anything 

Then why state that it behooves someone to do so?

Hearing a difference when an ordinary fuse/wire is reversed falls into the category of impossible, by my definition

Good for you. We think otherwise.

And, by your own statements, I don't need to submit any proof what-so-ever that it is in fact impossible

Goose and gander. If you really believe that, then stop saying we have a duty to.

Just pointing out that one should be honest *with themselves*

That's flat out insulting and it's about time you stop with this moral high ground of yours, implying we're not being honest with ourselves. It's so passive-aggressive and possibly, a projection on your part.

All the best,
Nonoise