Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


128x128michaelgreenaudio

glupson
geoffkait,

You especially can’t please the folks who don’t actually use tweaks and who don’t really care.
It may be, at least partially, due to the fact that those who do not use tweaks and do not care are already content which translates into pleased. No need to try hard to please them, they are just fine.

I see. You mean like contented cows? 🐄 you must be here strictly for the abuse. 😬
geoffkait,

I will admit that I was deciding if to post that last thing or not and then I decided to do it just to see what you will come up with as a response. Yawn. I did not expect it would lead to any kind of discussion. I was hoping for something more innovative. Could you do us all a favor, when being predictable at least keep it interesting and do not forget some manners. Your last post was missing either.
Gk if I may be so bold, you should consider upgrading to the Grado sr8Oe from your sr60e to go with the super tweaked Walkman.   The extra $20 probably won't kill you.  Don't be a cheapskate!  I have a pair of sr80e.  They are a great audio bargain for sure.   
mapman,

Your recommendations are not only bold, but running at the speed of photons. What is wrong with Koss Porta Pro?
prof,

I agree with your views on most of these things, although I would still have a softer approach to whole problem, but what I meant by stating you are wasting time and energy is discussing it around here. I saw a few who tried to present some arguments, but it is, for one reason or another, mostly not a discussion. To me, at least, it looks like two circles which are close but never touch, bringing frustration to both. On the other hand, you are right that casual observers who have not firmly committed to either side can learn about different views and make their own opinion. For those, your time and energy expenditure is actually valuable. However, I doubt you will ever win the argument with those who you are, in fact, arguing with.