Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


michaelgreenaudio

@kosst_amojan Finally someone got it. Sound wave move by air molecule compression. I held a commercial pilots license (and yes I can give my license number) and laminar flow is aerodynamics, acoustics is compressive "flow". Water ripples in a still pond do the same thing. Water ripples in a river, ie moving water, or as GK has a lot of, wind, disturb and nullify/change intrinsically the nature of the original compression.

The nature of speaker design is very complex. The speaker injects a certain frequency in that compression that we hear by a vibration in our middle ear and sorted by our brain, but that's neurology and audiology. If someone blew in your ear you would not hear music. The ability of the various speaker drivers to impart the correct frequency vibration is (sometimes) what we hear as music, or nails down a blackboard etc.

Well done Kosst_amojan. I have been patiently waiting and reading the absolute BS emanating from certain people. A.

I learnt a lot more from some of these posts and there were some absolute garbage spat out, by some who pretend to be experts and qualified in the audio field (which I am NOT). These people need a bit of humility and grow up. There is more to this hobby (which I love and learning more or through these threads) than some simplistic one eyed BS put out there an I for one do not appreciate reading through pages of crap to find one gem. I am one for communicating maturely so I can learn and enjoy what I learn and to thank those who I learnt from. I don't suffer fools gladly! I do not have the time for malicious BS.
I'm still at Michael's. Peaceful, powerful, thick or body, spiritual, not high end audio sounding, and transformative. I never would have guessed this being the same recording. I had to ask Michael if he can do this with any CD? He said "pick one and come back tomorrow". BTW while I listened MG said "Goodwill night". He left and came back with two bags full of CD's "would you like any". MG is not like any other listener you have ever met. He literally shapes the music so well that it makes a high end audio show system sound incomplete (distorted) by comparison. But what makes these visits so impressive is he always says "you can make this system sound better than I can". MG is a firm believer in everyone being the master of their own sound. I've picked George Michaels "Faith" for tomorrows listening.