Hooboy...
It looks like even more people have had enough of the passive-aggressive marketing act.
Why am I returning with this post? Because Michael decided to return to imply more nonsense about me and others.
Michael Green wrote:
Can I be straight up with you.
I think some of us know where to place our bets on that one.
No one I know, including myself in this, has ever said they can’t hear the difference between the sounds of capacitors. If someone claims to be a HEA audiophile and makes these types of claims, there’s no point for someone like me to talk to them.
Of course, neither I, nor amg56, nor anyone else that I remember seeing in this thread, ever made such a claim. In fact I said clearly that I was NOT claiming capacitors sound different, and amg56 simply was asking Michael for evidence for his claims; he wasn’t declaring the claims false. Just "why don’t you answer these obvious questions??"
And yet here is Michael suggesting the people he won’t interact with have claimed capacitors don’t sound different, in order to not answer their questions.
This is so indicative of the level of intellectual integrity shown by MG on this thread.
Contrast that with the response by another manufacturer on the thread, e.g. audiopoints, who simply took questions seriously and answered them. Even if it didn’t remove all the reasons for skepticism, no problems ensued because this was how honest interaction works and they received kudos.
This shows the difference between the way Michael portrays people - the people asking skeptical questions must be angry trolls - and the way they are: people here asking legitimate, honest questions who respond quite happily to being treated with some respect and honest interaction.
And that’s why many people here are being turned off by MG’s posts.
Do you honestly think I should be spending my time talking to them?
No. Because because that would be how someone familiar with, and respectful of, actual empirical science would act: they would welcome challenging questions. Anyone who actually spent time much of his life in "empirical labs" and hanging with "empirical science folks" would know this.
It’s also what good engineers do. They explain things to each other, and are happy to educate anyone asking good, relevant questions.
But that is not how MG has behaved in this thread.
It is the salesmen, not the hard nosed empiricist, who seeks the easy sell - looking to anyone who "already believes" or who can be readily made to believe a claim.
Why would someone who doesn’t "do" even post on a thread talking about doing?
Micheal didn’t make a thread about "doing it" (he has made a thread about that already: the method of tuning). He made a thread on the topic of NOT DOING it - critiquing people for not "doing" and asking people WHY they are NOT doing it. It’s in the very title, down to his very last sentence!
Imagine being this confused about your own authorship of a thread:
You enter a forum devoted to car enthusiasts with a post suggesting that some members of the forum were not being honest or consistent in their approach. For instance, they profess to be loyal Americans who talk about American cars, but their actual activity doesn’t support this: they are buying foreign cars. Your whole post calls these people out for hypocrisy or being fakers. And you end with the challenge, for those engaging in this behaviour, "Why buy foreign?"
Naturally the very people your thread is addressing, and who you have just challenged to explain themselves - show up to challenge the assumptions in your thread and explain themselves.
And then you wonder: "Wait...why would anyone buying foreign cars even post in this thread? This thread is about being a loyal American and buying American cars, it’s not about the people buying foreign cars!"
Just imagine how bizarre that is. To make a thread whose content ACTUALLY concerned criticizing the people who buy foreign cars, and in which you addressed questions to those people, and then acting confused why anyone you are criticizing would respond to the thread!
The obvious inference is that such a person is either being clueless...or disingenuous.
MG’s behaviour demonstrates that he didn’t want any real conversation with the people he was criticising - this thread only appeared to serve his purpose to the degree he could turn the attention to his tuning and gaining more exposure for his website. As numerous others in the thread have pointed out.
And people notice how condescending and blinkered it is to keep implying, as Michael has done continuously from the OP, that people
who are not doing Michael Green Room Tuning are not "walking the walk" or "doing the hobby" or are only "talkers not doers."
EVERYONE here is "doing the hobby."
We’ve all put plenty of time into carefully selecting and dialing in our systems. I myself put years into my room, working with acousticians, doing my own work, playing with acoustic treatments (which I will still do from time to time), speaker placement, trying various components, (including using many different cables over the years!) etc. I recently spent months re-constructing my own equipment rack for my new turntable to isolate it - even testing using measurements to see the results of various materials on absorbing vibration. I’m learning about and altering VTA, impedance, and all the turntable tweaking goodies, etc. I’m seeking advice on and learning about good subwoofer integration - buying the right components, measuring devices and have already spent effort "doing" in initial testing with the subwoofers.
Yet Michael Green continually implies that I, and others like me who have our own ideas and experience, are not being "empirical" like he is, and he places us in the category of "talking" and "not doing." This happens when we dare challenge Michael to provide explanations or good evidence for his own claims.
We are "doing" - we just aren’t "doing" the specific methods - and/or using the products - that Michael evangelizes and self-promotes.
And this level of B.S. richly deserves to be called out whenever it is pushed around here. Not to mention, using this to barely conceal self-marketing.
