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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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michaelgreenaudio OP
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Here’s a story.

Once upon a time there was a thread, the threads name was OP. It was a simple enough thread but soon after it began there came along two groups of people One Happy and the Other Angry. As the Happy people began sharing their happiness the Angry people became even angrier with the hopes to delude all the happy smiles. The Angry people became so unsettled by the Happy ones that they got together and baked a bunch of cherry pies. Sneaking up on the Happy people the Angry people started throwing the cherry pies into the faces of the Happy people. As the Happy people were getting hit in the face with pie being thrown by the Angry people, the Happy people started to taste the pie "gee that’s good cherry pie". Soon all the Happy people became even more Happy because that was their nature. The Happy people became great cherry pie makers while the Angry were never able to get their cherry trees to bloom again.

If your an Angry person, sorry we can do nothing for you.

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net

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nonoise
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That was like a cross between Jonathan Swift, Aesop and a touch of Ambrose Bierce.
😉
trelja
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@michaelgreenaudio "Guys buying $10,000.00-$250,000.00 speakers and (get a load of this, this will kill ya) and putting them in a living room, against the wall with (I’m not joking, I swear to God I'm serious lol) with a huge equipment rack in between them."

Sadly, that's always been how a lot of folks set up their loudspeakers.  That's also why every one of us have heard modest systems easily and surely outperform much more expensive ones.  Unless we invest in good setup, we lose out on so much the investment we make in our equipment
teo_audio
2,197 posts
 
That happens as the BOSS of the house says:

..."You can have all the audio, and all the video you want.....as long as I never have to hear it, and never have to see it."

Yes ma’am.....
prof
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What an absolute shock that MG made yet another "angry people" post instead of one with content relevant to what people have written, or even content relevant to his own thread subject. 

But, I doubt any of us can get enough about what a cheery, nice guy he is...and how much music he listens to!  

Michael, how can I learn more about your products?

Oh, there it is, right under your name again.

Thanks for thinking of us!


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