Pre amps cost vs. value ... what I discovered last month.


Greetings all.

I’m a mastering engineer. www.magicgardenmastering.com . We use Acoustic Zen balanced cabling, highly modified Cary 211 FE tube amps, Bricasti M1 SE DAs and Joachim Gerhard’s Allegra speakers. TORUS balanced power comes 220 from the street. The room is excellent, and you would love to hear it.

For 15 years the pre amp/router was a Crane Song Avocet. I paid around $1800 for it.

Recently decided to try a couple of audiophile products in the pre amp stage and was shocked and saddened how bad they were. Yes, the studio designed Avocet has a relay click for each 1db step, and yes it has a rack mounted 2U body with a corded remote, but it’s clear folks are really getting taken to the cleaners on pre amps. The older and highly regarded Boulder 1010 (used price $5500), was just terrible, truly terrible. The new and fully broken in BAT vk-43SE (demo price $7500) was much better, but still had a cloudy tone as compared to the class A Avocet. Not sure if that’s the cap or the transformer, but it made everything less clear and more generic, more distant from the music.

That’s all. Happy listening.
128x128brianlucey
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Thanks Brian. Interesting. I’ll never forget hearing a top flight stack of Naim amps annihilated by a low rent Croft Micro 3 tube phone preamp back in '87. Ditto for Aragon, Classe, Cyrus, Audiolab and others. I asked Ken Kessler, the reviewer, how somone could like the wooly Aragons and he shrugged and said that is how music actually sounds like. Baffled to this day.

I agree on part of your post, but the other part????

but it’s clear folks are really getting taken to the cleaners on pre amps.
This is true, when many of todays sources have volume control, output stages as good sometimes better that some of these hiend preamps.

For 15 years the pre amp/router was a Crane Song Avocet. I paid around $1800 for it.
I looked inside this Avocet on the net, and it’s full of opamps, and if 15 years old they’d mainly be TLO5*'s ands NE553*'s which are very ordinary to say the least.

Cheers George
Parts matter, yet Dave Hill knows what he’s doing.

Avocet distortion is in the range of .001% at +20 dbu -3db is up between 200 and 300KHz

My listening tests are not "respectable"? A rude and ultimately hilarious reply.  Listening is what I do all day every day, for hire by others who can afford anyone, and not for fun. The credits are all online. Have a great day.
Props to the OP. There's always a self-important contrarian ready to pick and pounce despite any initial ethos. 

I suspect the synergy in your room reveals a lot when a part of it is replaced.