Jazz for aficionados

Regarding constant and everlasting question here about which music has ’right’ to be considered ’beautiful’ or ’true jazz’, there is a book I would like to recommend....

’What is beauty? Umberto Eco, among Italy’s and worlds finest and most important contemporary thinkers, explores the nature, the meaning, and the very history of the idea of beauty in Western culture. The profound and subtle text is lavishly illustrated with abundant examples of sublime painting and sculpture and lengthy quotations from writers and philosophers.’

I believe that there is connection between music and other forms of art in a way how we value things,or how we have come to certain ’standards’.

Hope you all will find the time to take a look....here is download in pdf form, but there are other ways to do it, on the same page...

https://archive.org/details/OnBeauty.AHistoryOfAWesternIdeaByUmbertoEco2004

pdf
https://ia800208.us.archive.org/26/items/OnBeauty.AHistoryOfAWesternIdeaByUmbertoEco2004/On%20Beauty...

I can understand the annoyance of Frogman, since its his profession, after all, but I dont mind reading such expressions from Op or Rok, its a kind of ’custom’ way to say it the way they say it now here....

For me, as I have said before, its about the sound....too often the ’modern’ jazz, or its players, do not have that particular sound that I like....
But, on other hand, neither the some most prominent players of ’old’ times do not ’have’ it, for me, anyway...

So...one album of Louis Armstrong that I like.....posted before...

’Louis and the good book’...from 1958. the only gospel alum he recorded

https://youtu.be/bvEmq-cX0G4

orpheus10
Think positive, be strong. Remember we are in a battle our whole life, from the fight to take our first breath forward . My prayers go out to you.
I will search out some Wynton music and post it when I have time. Summertime leaves less time at my computer as I enjoy the warmer weather.
BTW - I always understand frogman when he speaks technically about music and I am not a professional musician, just an amateur.   

...further more...I've read that none studio recording of Johnny Griffin can represent how good actually he played as he was suffering from claustrophobia, so any studio session was discomfort was him...so,never he desplayed as same as live...

Its been said for Oscar Wilde that none of his plays was so brilliant as man himself, seen and heard in relaxed company.

Jazz, played and listened,when was on its peak, was in different historical and social times. Now, we can all agree, is not so relevant, present or popular among population.
The audience is now more 'passiv' element than before. (correct me if I am wrong)

My questions are...

Does the lack of interaction with 'public' and life itself on more intimate and every day level makes the todays jazz different than one from before?

Is it possible for an art form to grow without such relation and does that makes jazz 'dead' except as an form of expression of people who are practicing it ?

Could that be said for other music art forms as well?
Rock is also dead, isn it?

Is there any chance that we shall hear some 'new' Beethoven or Miles?

How about movies? Has anybody seen any new good western?
One in every ten years....if

That does not mean that there are not any good films any more.....that does not even mean that lots of movies are not basically westerns....because they share the same story concept....the good guy, the bad one and the duel at the end...

But, their form of expression is very different

Is it possible to apply the same analogy to jazz, because except for the same instrumets and similar conception in performance, we are looking/hearing at two very different types of music, but we are calling them by the same name?

orpheus10
SHOULD have said when frogman WRITES technically abut music

Now, having said that, I must also say that I am disappointed that you still feel the need to make unnecessary judgments and characterizations about what music may mean to someone other than yourself. Very presumptuous of you and quite off the mark. “....just a statement of fact”? Hardly. To be blunt, O-10, don’t think you know what you’re talking about. I hope I don’t have to explain why someone might find such unnecessarily personalized characterizations to be offensive. As always, hoping for healthier dialogue.

I would appreciate it if everyone came back to this, and explain what Frogman is saying, because I don't have a clue; there are so many alternate explanations, but he said it in reference to the following paragraph.


I have come to the conclusion that you and I (meaning me and Rok) agree more than we disagree on the definition of jazz, because your definition is more emotional, as opposed to Frogman's definition which is more intellectual. Jazz with an intellectual bent can be ever so good, but it lacks "Blacknuss".