DO CABLES REALLY MATTER?

Sorry nonoise, I still can’t make heads or tails of what you are saying, and I see nothing addressing the point I had repeated to you. (I think maritime51 is right about this, but I’ll try pressing on for a moment).

There are better made cables that allow more info to come forth.

That’s the very claim that is being questioned here. What is your evidence for this? Take a standard Belden 10-gauge 5T00UP for, say, a 6 foot speaker cable run. I choose this because Belden has been making professional industry standard cables for decades upon decades, know what they are doing, and because one can find test measurements for this cable, e.g:

https://www.audioholics.com/gadget-reviews/blue-jeans-10awg-speaker-cable-5t00up/blue-jeans-cable-me...



Can you point to independent measurements of a high end audiophile cable showing it transmits "more info?"

You’ve said as much earlier when you admitted that a minute amount improvement can’t account for the big increases that some say they hear and appreciate.

Essentially, yes. But you seem to mistakenly infer I have agreed that people actually ARE hearing the BIG improvements they claim, rather than it being from bias/imagination etc. Maybe some people are hearing real differences; but it's hard to discern in which cases that may be,  when it's all anecdote with no controlling for imagination and bias.

I say they do.

Well....anyone can say anything. But that’s called "begging the question" given what is under debate.

The signal measured shows everything to be okay but it doesn’t take into account what is smeared or messed with by a lesser cable.

Wait, so you are saying a standard cable can measure just fine, but the measurements don’t take in to account "smearing and messing up" of the signal? That’s not making sense; can you explain better? How do you know a cable is smearing/messing things up....if measurements show it’s passing the signal fine?

The smeared or compromised sound is not what’s getting through in the final recording. It’s what being heard while it happens. And it’s repeatable until a better cable is used. Then, one can hear and appreciate the difference.

Try as I might, I can make no sense of that paragraph. (Can anyone else parse what nonoise is trying to say?)

I still don’t see how you have addressed the issue I raised: IF you are hearing wonderful sonics from a recording that was created using regular cables, THEN that tells you what type of sonic information those regular cables are capable of transmitting.

Sorry, “Paraclete.”  🙀

Golly gee. 

The symbol is NOT the thing symbolized; the word is NOT the thing; the map is NOT the territory it stands for. 

What is being measured is not the sound:. it's the electrical properties of the signal.

All the best,
Nonoise

Prof, 

I never said it transmits more info, but that a better made cable doesn't mess as much with the info. There seems to be more breeds of parakeets than meets the eye.

I have no measurement nor do I care in the least to procure them. I rely on my ears. 

 

But you seem to mistakenly infer I have agreed that people actually ARE hearing the BIG improvements they claim, rather than it being from bias/imagination etc.

 
No, I never said, nor inferred that. As for beggars, they come in all sizes and shapes, don't they?

As for the rest of what you ask, I replied to that earlier before your last post. As for your inability to appreciate my point of view or even to entertain it, it could be that when something begins to make sense, it conflicts with a pre conceived notion or idea.

All the best,
Nonoise