Whoa.....resistors, capacitors, power supplies....how can these possibly be more important to sound quality than wood blocks, audiophile fuses, and skinny power cords? Sheesh, just when you get the cows corralled, one breaks the fence.
Talk but not walk?
Hi Guys
This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?
I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?
You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?
I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?
thanks, be polite
Michael Green
www.michaelgreenaudio.net
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Lol couple of great posts there guys, and you hit the nail on the head kosst. The thing is, unfortunately 99% of these guys have their mind made up and it'll never change. I think Elizabeth mentioned earlier on in this thread, or one of the other ones about snake oil, that it's a herd mentality. She's absolutely right. These guys that believe in the snake oil magic voodoo will never change as they don't wanna admit they are wrong, they don't wanna admit the emperor has no clothes. I questioned the veracity of Elizabeth's claim that she can hear the difference between different electrical receptacles. Well if that actually were the case her preamplifier and amplifier must be the biggest pieces of junk in the solar system! The power supplies must be the worst ones ever! But then the Inference is that she has much better hearing than I do, hearing that can even detect things that measurements can't. Then in a different thread I learned that Elizabeth is 70 years old. I am 43 with very very good hearing. I've always worn ear protection when I should. But now I'm supposed to believe that her hearing is much better than mine? come on!I've mentioned in other places that I used to be one of those guys. I've bought expensive power cables, audio file fuses and other bits of snake oil. Then I embarked on a journey of DIY. I built things, I read things, I learned things. I admit that I was mislead in that earlier period of my life. Now I'm selling or have sold most of the snake oil off. I don't understand why other folks find it so difficult to admit they were wrong or at least question and look into things a little further.People accuse me of being a troll why cant I leave well enough alone and respect their opinion. It's because it angers me that people are profiting off of this nonsense fraudulent stuff. If someone new reads this thread I want them to pause and question things a little bit. I wish I had read more of the truth when I was younger. |
analogluvr
... it angers me that people are profiting off of this nonsense fraudulent stuff ...It's interesting how frequently some here bleat about what they allege is fraud in high-end audio, with some even claiming that it is widespread. But such allegations have never been proven. Why is that? |
analogluvr Lol couple of great posts there guys, and you hit the nail on the head kosst. The thing is, unfortunately 99% of these guys have their mind made up and it’ll never change. >>>>Geez, look who’s talking. I Googled Close Minded and there was a picture of analgluber. Oh, I’m sorry, I meant Devil’s advocate. 🤗 |
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