Tube / SS amp that handles 4ohm loads well and delivers lively texture / palpability

I'm saying that I think that adding bass tautness to a 'drum effect' kind of system is a negative to the overall sound, whereas adding it to a very transparent bass setup is actually a positive.

Speakers sure, but not at all only speakers. Once I had interconnect cables that gave me both exaggerated and too tight a bass, those cables were off the balance. Just cables. I replaced them and it is now much closer to what it should be and no exaggeration unless it is in the recording.

atmasphere6,710 posts11-14-2018 9:07amI've never heard 'tight bass' in real life. I play string bass, played in orchestras, jazz and folk combos and play in a rock band (keyboards) right now. IME/IMO 'tight bass' is a thing that only exists in stereo, and then mostly when the woofers are overdamped. 

Put another way, when tight bass exists, definition, the character of the bass notes, goes away. So I avoid tight bass, instead just look for what is natural. 

+1 Well said. Also, I really enjoy that "Making the Atma-Sphere M-60" video or as Lord Buckley would no doubt exclaim, "a sphere gasserrr!"

zuio, are your Theta's toed in? I know their manual shows some toe in with rather shallow boundary limits as well as equal distance between speakers and listening position. 

While every room is different I've had my Comets in three very different rooms and their suggestions only provided the most bass response at the cost of way more brightness and a small sound stage.

Try little to no toe in and use a wheeled office chair to locate the listening position.   








   

Well Bass speed might not be the right term. But most of the systems have serious issues with bass lag. Especially tubed ones. Wobbly, undefined, out of rhythm bass.

But most of the systems have serious issues with bass lag. Especially tubed ones. Wobbly, undefined, out of rhythm bass.

I find that if one is careful about the match between the amp and speaker that this need not be the case at all.

In fact I've found that tube amps often deliver more natural bass than solid state.

Now my speakers are 16 ohms, as that better takes advantage of the capabilities of any tube amp which is how you want to approach it. My speakers also go down flat to 20Hz owing to dual 15" TAD woofers. Plenty of impact, extension (my tube amps are full power to 2Hz, so no measurable squarewave tilt at 20Hz), no 'wobble' (whatever that is) and  plenty of definition.

Many speakers today are 4 ohms in the bass and otherwise 8 ohms in the mids and highs. An example is the B&W 802. This is not a tube-friendly speaker and designs like this should be avoided if you want to get the performance out of your tube amps! If you use the 4 ohm tap, the output transformer is less efficient and may lose an octave off the bass response. Why do that when tube amplifier power is more expensive?? Instead (and this is true of any amp, tube, solid state or class D), don't make the amp work hard for a living. Its life should be easy like a walk in the park. Then it makes less distortion and will sound more like real music.