erik,
Thank you for the rational, reasonable post
And, yes, as you rightly identify: cleeds is as usual trying to shift the burden of proof.
Of course, the skepticism many have about cables comes from actual knowledge of the theories and practical applications of electrical theory. That's why so many EE's disparage audiophile claims. They aren't doing it from their armchair: they often discuss in detail electrical theory and practice, to show why audiophile cables come with suspicious claims.
Consumers often don't have the requisite technical knowledge to vet the seductive technical boasts of cable manufacturers, so the best we can do is look to consensus of experts, and notice who is making the arguments based on bad logic or inherently suspicious grounds.As you point out: it's a suspicious feature of high end cable manufacturers that they invoke all sorts of physical, scientific phenomena in their claims, yet almost never give measurable, scientific data supporting that they have solved the purported problem. It goes straight to marketing instead.
But...again as you rightly point out...when a high end cable manufacturer makes claims about their cable, technical or otherwise, especially extraordinary claims, the burden of proof is NOT on the consumer's shoulders to disprove the claims; it's on the manufacturer to support the claim.
Shifting the burden of proof has always been the modus operandi of people defending bogus claims.
Thank you for the rational, reasonable post
And, yes, as you rightly identify: cleeds is as usual trying to shift the burden of proof.
Of course, the skepticism many have about cables comes from actual knowledge of the theories and practical applications of electrical theory. That's why so many EE's disparage audiophile claims. They aren't doing it from their armchair: they often discuss in detail electrical theory and practice, to show why audiophile cables come with suspicious claims.
Consumers often don't have the requisite technical knowledge to vet the seductive technical boasts of cable manufacturers, so the best we can do is look to consensus of experts, and notice who is making the arguments based on bad logic or inherently suspicious grounds.As you point out: it's a suspicious feature of high end cable manufacturers that they invoke all sorts of physical, scientific phenomena in their claims, yet almost never give measurable, scientific data supporting that they have solved the purported problem. It goes straight to marketing instead.
But...again as you rightly point out...when a high end cable manufacturer makes claims about their cable, technical or otherwise, especially extraordinary claims, the burden of proof is NOT on the consumer's shoulders to disprove the claims; it's on the manufacturer to support the claim.
Shifting the burden of proof has always been the modus operandi of people defending bogus claims.