Increasing gain for your vinyl front end when pre-amp doesn't quite have enough juice


Hi Folks, just wanted to get your thoughts on what route you would go if your pre-amp (I’m talking about a normal pre-amp, not phono preamp) doesn’t quite have enough gain for very high listening levels for my turntable set-up. Now, on my phono-pre amp, there is a setting for maximum gain (schiit Mani) up to 59db, but the S/N ratio takes a hit and goes down to 70db, however, it does pump out the needed volume. What about the idea of putting in a good (inexpensive headphones amp/preamp - one of those $99 guys - like schiit Magni, JDS Labs Atom or Monolith Liquid Spark) between the phono preamp and the regular preamp? Does this have the potential of producing the needed gain while at the same time not degrading the signal too much (perhaps not as much as full gain on the Mani?) Just wanted to see what you all think. To me it seems like less items in the signal chain the better, but if it has a higher S/N ratio could be a better option? (with the added benefit of listening to vinyl through headphones, which I’ve never done before.)
bstatmeister
I have a mani and  mp 110(same specified output) 48db is the setting you want. 59db does actually overload the mani. On my rig the 48db setting  closely matches the output from my cd player not quite equal, but close enough for me. Give it a try, I think you'll be satisfied. 

        Happy listening!
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You mentioned your dream speakers were Vandys at $8400. For a fraction of that price you can get the Magnepan LRS which I heard At AXPONA and are a flat out deal at $650 or the .7i or 1.7i (which I own). If you get the .7i or 1.7i, then for less than $600 you can get the MyeStands which will improve dynamics and bass. I used to use a sub with my Maggies. Since the MyeStands, I am selling my subs. For the LRS you may need a sub. Get a small sealed sub. REL or Rythmikaudio. As for an amp, get a used solid state relatively high watt class AB or low watt high bandwidth class A stereo or integrated amp. For Maggies, I prefer the former. If you go with a higher sensitivity box speaker you can go with either. What ever is cheapest but good. That is where the most money is going to go. You may be able to keep the Mani and Saga. But those will be the weak links in your system. Sell the Behringer and Vandys. Yes it’s a partial system overhaul. Welcome to audiophile land!
Listen to @almarg . Try a new preamp. You could also buy a second power amp and run them as bridge mode monos.
@almarg 
The maximum output on the Saga is 10 volts. Can you please explain what that means as far as driving a power amp?
Thanks much
Yogiboy