Increasing gain for your vinyl front end when pre-amp doesn't quite have enough juice


Hi Folks, just wanted to get your thoughts on what route you would go if your pre-amp (I’m talking about a normal pre-amp, not phono preamp) doesn’t quite have enough gain for very high listening levels for my turntable set-up. Now, on my phono-pre amp, there is a setting for maximum gain (schiit Mani) up to 59db, but the S/N ratio takes a hit and goes down to 70db, however, it does pump out the needed volume. What about the idea of putting in a good (inexpensive headphones amp/preamp - one of those $99 guys - like schiit Magni, JDS Labs Atom or Monolith Liquid Spark) between the phono preamp and the regular preamp? Does this have the potential of producing the needed gain while at the same time not degrading the signal too much (perhaps not as much as full gain on the Mani?) Just wanted to see what you all think. To me it seems like less items in the signal chain the better, but if it has a higher S/N ratio could be a better option? (with the added benefit of listening to vinyl through headphones, which I’ve never done before.)
bstatmeister
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Please, please, please (a little James Brown here) don’t put those Vandersteen Model 2C’s out to pasture! There may be a speaker recone kit made specifically for those babies. To save money you could buy the kits and do it yourself or have a speaker tech do it for you.

Go ahead and take the speaker covers off and you’ll know right away if the cones are ripped, dented or decomposing in anyway. This way is far less expensive than buying new speakers and if you did decide to put them out to pasture you could at least sell them as they have been rebuilt, and not just sitting in your old hi-fi tech closet that we all have. Hope this helps.
So after a bit of testing with the different gain settings on the Mani 48db is the best and can give me what I need at the highest volume levels when called for. I did try the 59db setting, but after trying a few records that are highly dynamic, such as Dire Straights Love over Gold, there was noticable distortion. Initially, I missed the 48db setting and went from 42db to 59db, so I'm glad you guys reminded of it. I think I'm good here at this point. I have a lot to think about regarding next pair of speakers. I might buy 2 pairs: a horn set for rocking out and the Magnapan LRS for when I want some finesse sound depending on my mood. Any one have a good recommendation for a horn speaker for around $600 that is great bang for the buck? Thanks again folks!
Ok yep, I see...
What about the Hsu HB-1 MK2 Horn vs Klipsch RP 600M Reference?
Anyone have any opinions on the 2? Dynamics/slam (but non fatiguing) is #1 priority for me with my "rock" speakers