Increasing gain for your vinyl front end when pre-amp doesn't quite have enough juice


Hi Folks, just wanted to get your thoughts on what route you would go if your pre-amp (I’m talking about a normal pre-amp, not phono preamp) doesn’t quite have enough gain for very high listening levels for my turntable set-up. Now, on my phono-pre amp, there is a setting for maximum gain (schiit Mani) up to 59db, but the S/N ratio takes a hit and goes down to 70db, however, it does pump out the needed volume. What about the idea of putting in a good (inexpensive headphones amp/preamp - one of those $99 guys - like schiit Magni, JDS Labs Atom or Monolith Liquid Spark) between the phono preamp and the regular preamp? Does this have the potential of producing the needed gain while at the same time not degrading the signal too much (perhaps not as much as full gain on the Mani?) Just wanted to see what you all think. To me it seems like less items in the signal chain the better, but if it has a higher S/N ratio could be a better option? (with the added benefit of listening to vinyl through headphones, which I’ve never done before.)
bstatmeister
Ok yep, I see...
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A minor correction to something I said in the first of my posts dated 4-27-2019. When I said:

Since the power amp only provides balanced inputs, it will interpret 0.567 volts provided to it in single-ended form as 0.567/2 = 0.28 volts.
Usually the gains and sensitivities of balanced inputs of a power amp are specified based on the difference in voltage between the two signals on the XLR connector, rather than on the voltage of each of the two signals. And usually the output power that would occur in response to a single-ended 0.567 volt signal provided to a balanced input would be the same as if it were a balanced pair of signals having a difference of 0.567 volts (i.e., each signal being 0.28 volts). A look at a schematic I found for the particular amp adds confidence to that conclusion.

The rest of my post remains as stated, except that the reference to "less than 1/4th of the voltage required to drive the amp to full power ... with the volume control set at max" becomes "less than 1/2 ...." as a result of that correction.

Regards,
-- Al