What’s really hurting the audio hobby?


Maybe it’s the audio dealer experience? Where else can newbies go to get started in this hobby. Isn't that where most of you got hooked?  Let me describe my latest visit to an audio store nearby. I won’t use the store name here, as that’s not the point.  Where I live there is really only one audio store left. That’s strange because I live in a very wealthy community. The Friday after Independence day, me and a friend went to this local audio store.  First time back there in years. We are both looking to upgrade. They have 3 audio rooms and two home theater rooms. The hi-end audio room (the store’s term) was an impressive room with extensive acoustic treatments. Mostly McIntosh gear. Sitting in the listening chair, you are looking at 600 watt Mac monoblocks running some nice tower speakers. A massive JL Audio Gotham subwoofer unit sat front and center facing the only listening chair. The McIntosh turntable was spun first. Sloooowww. It took my friend less than five seconds to point out the TT was running slow. The salesman had started to play Pink Floyd-Wish You Were Here, and it was noticeably slow. So the salesman flipped the switch to 45 rpm. Yes, that happened. He figured out it was too fast all on his own. Fiddle and poke at the TT for a bit and then the salesman said- "I’ll let them know it’s broke". Then he said he would just stream some music from a server. Bass! All you could hear was bass, and NOT good bass. He turned the subs down a little when asked, but all you could hear was tubby, muddy bass. The big tower speakers were overpowered by the sub.  I really wanted to hear what the main speakers alone sounded like, but could not get the salesman to shut off the subs.  On to the mid-fi room (the store’s term). The salesman tried to play us two different turntables. Neither turntable worked. One would not power up, and one was not hooked up to a system at all. Let me point out we didn’t care what source they used. I did say we both run analog and digital sources. Nothing interesting in the mid-fi room the first time through. Next room (no name) was a wall of bookshelf and small towers run by a wide selection of integrated amps. Not bad sound from some. Again, we were told this is “streaming quality audio”. This was the third time he mentioned we were listening to streaming quality audio. I took a guess at what that meant and asked if we could hear higher quality audio. So he took us back to the mid-fi room. He popped in a CD.I could not tell what CD equipment was being used. I think a Rotel integrated was selected. Everything in the cabinet was black faced behind dark glass. Not sure what CD it was either, but since he only had one, I let it go.

Big change! The Paradigm towers were now making good sounds. A big difference from his “streaming quality” demo. Next we switched to a pair of GE Triton 1s. I seriously might get a pair! They make nice sounds. By far the best thing we heard. There was more that happened that contributed to a poor experience, but I will move on.

Here is my point- What would anyone new to the hobby think of that experience? It took two seasoned audio guys pushing the salesman for over an hour before he played anything worth listening to. Would you buy anything from this place. Would you send a newbie in there? Let me know if I'm off base in thinking these audio stores are killing themselves off by the way they do business. Or is it just my misfortune that I have not been in a good dealer showroom in years?

vinylfan62
My last experience in a B&M store was so bad I promised myself I was done  and would take my chances buying online.. I called this store to verify hours and get directions, said I would like to come down the next day ( 2 hr. drive ) and hear a certain speaker they had. Come on down , we open at 10:00 am,no problem. When I showed up the next morning I was met by an arrogant greaseball who said, " I dont know who told you to come down today, we operate by appointment ’ ( there was no one else in the store the whole time I was there ) When I said I had driven 2 hours to hear the speakers , he rolled his eyes, told me to go get lunch somewhere,come back in an hour and he would see what he could do. When I came back he had a system set up and let me listen to a few tracks he had selected ( I brought my own music ) I quite liked the speakers and asked if it was possible to try them in my home if I left him my credit card . " Oh no , we only do that for our customers! ’ he said laughing. When I asked what he would sell them for , cash, he quoted me full retail price. I asked if there is discount for paying cash, he said again, "oh no, we only do that for our customers " I pulled a very large wad of $100. bills out , waved it in his face, and said I was going somewhere that I could be a customer too. I also called him several things that are not fit for print.
I've been in the Navy for 22 years I have traveled all over the world (26 countries and counting) I tend to visit High end audio stores when I travel. The one thing that seems to be a constant is a variation of the same 6 products in every one of them. Then a few sprinklings of something new or different usually due to the country or location more then anything. 

I'm also tired of the middle men why cannot a dealer deal directly with a manufacturer we do live in the age of 24 hour delivery to anywhere in the world.

 Also I see a trend were the high end audio stores that still exist are dividing into two major groups one to service the middle class and one to service the very wealthy. . 

 I even had a manufacturer say to me once that its easier to service the very rich and sell 20-50 of a very expensive item then to make thousands of less expensive items and have to deal with that many more issues with after sales service. 

Interesting to note that many of the negative dealer experiences being discussed arent new problems, not by a long shot.  Bad shops and salesmen have plagued this hobby since its inception!
Throughout the many decades of being a avid audio fan. The passion came from MUSIC and the knowledge came from family and friends. Stereo stores did little to excite any passions that were not already there, very rarely did audio salesman offer up any real information, heck, to this day the few stores that remain STILL have the same dry, lame, mostly clueless people working in them.

Matt M
Several comments in this thread seem to lament a supposed decline in high end audio but nothing could be further from the truth. The irony here is that in spite of a declining dealer base the luxury stereo business is booming.


This is actually my point. I lament the decline in the hobby vs. lamenting the high end. The hobby has gone from a broad based, get your hands dirty and you can participate too hobby to one for the wealthiest.


Truth be told, there's plenty of room for DIY, but that's not who is left.


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