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TRL WON'T GIVE ME MY AMP

Not sure this is right Forum but I'm desperate. I have an  Tube Research Labs amp  that the owner Paul Weitzal made for me 9 or 10 yrs ago.  January 2019 the amp started to cut out,  contacted Paul but learned he had pasted away.  Received email  from TRL  saying  still in business with new Owners.   Gregg from TRL contacted me and told me to shipped it to an  address in Houston which I did, insured for $5,000.  A few weeks later around the end of Feb. Gregg sent me an email telling me the amp was over heating. The 1st of March I email  Gregg with instructions on what I wanted done. That is the last time I had any contact with Gregg!!!!! I sent email after email to TRL pleading for someone to tell me where my Amp is????? The last of week of August,  I sent an  email to TRL saying if I didn't hear from anyone I will go to stereo sites and tell my story!!  Immediately had phone call from  Leon in  NEW YORK asking me "what 's going on?"After explaining the situation to Leon, said "would call me back in a couple days". So needless to say  Leon never called back and when I call,  he is never there and leaving a message does no good.  I'm hoping someone can tell me what to do????IF nothing else, do not do business with "Tube Research Labs"
Thanks Kim
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clio09
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I was a TRL owner in the past when it was just Paul and his brother Brian working together. I had modifications done to digital gear and owned both a solid state preamp and amplifier. Paul was one of the good guys in audio throughout his time and after his passing I assumed the business would not, or more appropriately could not continue. It is a risk one takes when you do business with a shop where the IP rests mainly in one persons head.

Now I just Googled Tube Research Labs and up pops a website that to me seems pretty suspect. The products referenced are mainly the older tube designs, none of the very popular solid state (Samson) or tube preamp (Dude) pieces. I really have to wonder who comprises this dedicated group of audiophiles and audio design engineers that are supposedly keeping Paul's legacy alive. After all, Paul's designs were unique in many respects and sometimes just plain out there, but the end result was usually outstanding in terms of sound reproduction.

I hope you get this resolved, but unfortunately you probably have a long road ahead. While legal action may result in victory on paper in the form of a judgement, actually collecting on the judgement is another matter altogether.


big_greg
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In addition to the other suggestions, contact the Attorney General of the state where the business is incorporated.
mechans
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Personal attorneys are too expensive to employ, as a rule, in cases of moderate financial damages fraud. 
I know a $5K loss is not moderate to many- if not most of us. 
We also  invest our hearts and souls into our systems and often pay a premium budget wise, for our gear compared to other things we own. 
It is a real tragedy that it costs so much to sue in this country .   Your best hope may well lie in the state Atty. General as suggested .  I hope you succeed!
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almarg
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Now I just Googled Tube Research Labs and up pops a website that to me seems pretty suspect. The products referenced are mainly the older tube designs, none of the very popular solid state (Samson) or tube preamp (Dude) pieces. I really have to wonder who comprises this dedicated group of audiophiles and audio design engineers that are supposedly keeping Paul's legacy alive.

While it may or may not have any significance, it's perhaps noteworthy that Paul's original website was at tuberesearchlabs.com, while the present site is tuberesearchlab.com (without the "s" after "lab").

I did some checking and it appears that the original url expired and became inactive sometime in the last quarter of 2017, a bit less than two years after Paul passed away.  And the present url was registered on 12-18-2017.

As I said, that **might** not be of any significance.  But it just adds to the suspicions Clio09 cited.

To the OP, best of luck as you proceed, and thanks for calling this matter to our attention.

Regards,
-- Al


tuberist
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I don't know how much your piece of gear is worth but if under 10K ( I saw your insurance comment), there won't be many lawyers who will handle this and you'd end up with almost nothing after fees and costs; assuming you get a judgement in your favor.  If you file in small claims court and get a judgement then you still have to collect; the Court won't be a collector.  I have no idea how much your equipment is worth. Something worth > 50K is worth a lawyer's time to try and collect. Sorry, you're in this situation.
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