What does one purchase after owning horns?

Weseixas, I try to be nice, and you, must once again, prove you are an A hole. I will say your bug species is more enduring than I had anticipated. Shoo shoo.......

Thanks for making my case Decibel , your accusations have no recourse for they are lacking in substance.

There are many speakers available which are very dynamic without getting into horns, again you guys are here promoting phoobie dust science and ignorance by volume, a regular MO with you guys and when you dont get your way then it becomes personal.

Not everyone enjoys the discombobulated integration and coloration that multiple horns suffer from , if you like that , so be it , now try to understand that others dont and prefer to discuss just that.

* Macrojack has admitted to not hearing above 10 K
* you have admitted to selling horns,as a sales boy
* Duke sells a 2 way waveguide he markets as a horn
* Dan_ed is all about horns and promoting horns.
* JohnK sells horns .

There is ALWAYS A VESTED INTEREST WITH you guys and every conversation is crowded with more and more phoobie dust science and of course the most vile rethoric.

Myself i have 2 audio system and many speakers, dynamic, open baffle dynamic, ribbons, ribbon hybrids, ESL, ESl hybrids no horns , they dont work for me and i haven't told anyone here to get rid of their horns as you have about anything else that is not a horn, nor is your back handed approach necessary, rubbing up to the late JIM THIEL then putting down unsounds decision to buy one, look in the mirror your sanded mangina approach is nothing but weak.

There are ESL's that will blow the socks off any horn speaker in a domestice environment, as so ribbon, ribbons hybrids and multiple driver dynamic speakers, they have done so for decades and guess what , will continue to do so regardless of how many times you use your bully pulpit, i would also implore anyone interested to get out and listen not everyone requires 120+db to enjoy their music, but if you do i'm sure there is something for you..

Regards,

Weseixas, You still do not understand the words of Renmeister in his original post, amazing. Except for you and Unsound, my words have plenty of substance, here on this thread anyway. My comments about Unsound's 3.5s are without question true statements, when talking about dynamic range and scale. How dare you accuse me of rubbing up to the late Jim Thiel. He was a fine gentleman and engineer, and if not for him, my cabinets might have taken longer to modify. I do like other products of his, although I still prefer horns. "Blow the socks off" statements once again shows your ignorance of the fact that people like what they like, but this is not good enough for you. So who has proven who's case ! I wish my system (and home) would allow for 120db, but I will stick with my 100db levels. And, not many of your "stated" speakers play cleanly at that level, so you can keep them. As a die hard Jazz lover, not many speakers can play back Miles or Coltrane any where close to my Lascalas. Remember, here, on this thread, you and Unsound are the outcasts. That's all, for now ........

I can discuss technical issues but am not very good at emotional exchanges, so I will bow out.

Duke

Weseixas said:

Thanks for making my case Decibel , your accusations have no recourse for they are lacking in substance.

This is after the previous two "value-added" comments regarding horns, speaker technology, and whatnot by Weseixas:

Uh, huh ......

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There are not many things we can be sure of , except rain comes from the clouds , sun lights up the sky and horn zealots know how to cry .

None of this adds to any intelligent discourse.

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Your next statement in your last post is weird.

There are many speakers available which are very dynamic without getting into horns, again you guys are here promoting phoobie dust science and ignorance by volume, a regular MO with you guys and when you dont get your way then it becomes personal.

From any reasonable external observer's point of view, you have been "making it personal".

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Your following post:

Not everyone enjoys the discombobulated integration and coloration that multiple horns suffer from , if you like that , so be it , now try to understand that others dont and prefer to discuss just that.

makes an assumption (that multiple horns suffer from discombobulated integration and coloration) which is not supported by anything other than your personal opinion. Show the science please. I have yet to find someone who can show me that by their very nature, two horns are BY DEFINITION not able to integrate as well as the same two drivers without horns attached. If you can provide the science/math to prove it, please do.

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* Macrojack has admitted to not hearing above 10 K
* you have admitted to selling horns,as a sales boy
* Duke sells a 2 way waveguide he markets as a horn
* Dan_ed is all about horns and promoting horns.
* JohnK sells horns .

There is ALWAYS A VESTED INTEREST WITH you guys and every conversation is crowded with more and more phoobie dust science and of course the most vile rethoric[sic].

Your bullet points do not prove a case one way or another. Nothing in them suggests that the people are not right.
1) Whether macrojack can hear above 10k has nothing to do with horns or not horns.
2) so what. Someone in my family sold cookies as a girl scout and that does not make me biased towards them, even if I were to say that they were the best cookies under the sun. That is a personal opinion (which I don't happen to believe).
3a) Duke sells that speaker, but if you bothered to read his website, the word "horn" is mentioned only at the bottom, and it is to contrast his waveguide speaker with earlier horns, many of which had colorations.
3a) Duke also sells ESLs and has long been a proponent of them.
4) Dan_ed seems to enjoy his speakers as much as you enjoy yours. He is not so much a promoter of horns as a defender of them in the face of repeated attacks from the likes of you and Unsound, who have yet to come up with anything other than "they're colored" as a reason for attacking horns and those who listen to them.
5) Johnk makes horns. He makes speakers. He is a cabinetmaker. If you want better bases for your ESLs, he will likely build them for you. If you wanted custom-made dynamic speakers, he would probably build them for you too. As it turns out, he thinks horns sound good, and he has provided sound reasons why they might work better (against your "they're colored" reasons why they don't work). It could also be that he builds horns BECAUSE they sound better.

When I was in junior high school and high school, I made my money by mowing lawns. Unlike some others, I also did a lot of other landscaping and garden care which was based on good science (everything from run-off management, proper mulching and fertilization, to grass mixes, and small tree care). I had purchased an expensive lawnmower BECAUSE it was good, and better at mulching than other lawnmowers. I recommended to my customers that they allow me to use my lawnmower rather than theirs. I did not charge them for it. My recommendation, and "defense" (explanation for my recommendation if someone asked) did not mean that I had a vested interest in mulching mowers.

On the other hand, I would suggest that your history of bashing horns and horn speaker adherents would mean that you have a vested interest in continuing to bash them. What would happen if you actually found a pair of horns that you liked?

Personally, I like any speakers which sound nice. I happen to have horns. I do not think mine are less colored than the most accurate box speakers I have ever heard, but they were a lot less expensive, easier to drive, and they sound better than anything I have heard in the price range - which is, admittedly, not everything out there. However, I would bet substantial money that my horns will be able to be driven by a wider variety of good amplifiers than any ESLs you can find. If I had a lot of space and lived in the US, I might have SoundLabs, and I have always liked really big Magnepans. I had ESLs before and upgraded to my current horns because of weak bass and weak bass integration of the ESLs and their dynamic woofer.

"Blow the socks off" is a scientific term? I have yet to find a pair of ESLs which will work as well in a small-medium space as Altec 19s (which I am choosing as "horns" because they have a horn and Audiokinesis has praised them before - which should be a good enough definition for you). The Altecs are not the best thing out there in horns, but they sound really great (especially when modified like my friend's), and can be put in a smallish room. If I had tried to stick full-range ESLs (like big SoundLabs) in the same room, I would never be able to get over room issues. Full-range ESLs would, in practice, be about the worst thing possible in a small room where my friend runs his Altec 19s.

But I get the feeling by writing all this down I am probably just feeding the troll...