What does one purchase after owning horns?

Weseixas said:

Thanks for making my case Decibel , your accusations have no recourse for they are lacking in substance.

This is after the previous two "value-added" comments regarding horns, speaker technology, and whatnot by Weseixas:

Uh, huh ......

and

There are not many things we can be sure of , except rain comes from the clouds , sun lights up the sky and horn zealots know how to cry .

None of this adds to any intelligent discourse.

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Your next statement in your last post is weird.

There are many speakers available which are very dynamic without getting into horns, again you guys are here promoting phoobie dust science and ignorance by volume, a regular MO with you guys and when you dont get your way then it becomes personal.

From any reasonable external observer's point of view, you have been "making it personal".

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Your following post:

Not everyone enjoys the discombobulated integration and coloration that multiple horns suffer from , if you like that , so be it , now try to understand that others dont and prefer to discuss just that.

makes an assumption (that multiple horns suffer from discombobulated integration and coloration) which is not supported by anything other than your personal opinion. Show the science please. I have yet to find someone who can show me that by their very nature, two horns are BY DEFINITION not able to integrate as well as the same two drivers without horns attached. If you can provide the science/math to prove it, please do.

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* Macrojack has admitted to not hearing above 10 K
* you have admitted to selling horns,as a sales boy
* Duke sells a 2 way waveguide he markets as a horn
* Dan_ed is all about horns and promoting horns.
* JohnK sells horns .

There is ALWAYS A VESTED INTEREST WITH you guys and every conversation is crowded with more and more phoobie dust science and of course the most vile rethoric[sic].

Your bullet points do not prove a case one way or another. Nothing in them suggests that the people are not right.
1) Whether macrojack can hear above 10k has nothing to do with horns or not horns.
2) so what. Someone in my family sold cookies as a girl scout and that does not make me biased towards them, even if I were to say that they were the best cookies under the sun. That is a personal opinion (which I don't happen to believe).
3a) Duke sells that speaker, but if you bothered to read his website, the word "horn" is mentioned only at the bottom, and it is to contrast his waveguide speaker with earlier horns, many of which had colorations.
3a) Duke also sells ESLs and has long been a proponent of them.
4) Dan_ed seems to enjoy his speakers as much as you enjoy yours. He is not so much a promoter of horns as a defender of them in the face of repeated attacks from the likes of you and Unsound, who have yet to come up with anything other than "they're colored" as a reason for attacking horns and those who listen to them.
5) Johnk makes horns. He makes speakers. He is a cabinetmaker. If you want better bases for your ESLs, he will likely build them for you. If you wanted custom-made dynamic speakers, he would probably build them for you too. As it turns out, he thinks horns sound good, and he has provided sound reasons why they might work better (against your "they're colored" reasons why they don't work). It could also be that he builds horns BECAUSE they sound better.

When I was in junior high school and high school, I made my money by mowing lawns. Unlike some others, I also did a lot of other landscaping and garden care which was based on good science (everything from run-off management, proper mulching and fertilization, to grass mixes, and small tree care). I had purchased an expensive lawnmower BECAUSE it was good, and better at mulching than other lawnmowers. I recommended to my customers that they allow me to use my lawnmower rather than theirs. I did not charge them for it. My recommendation, and "defense" (explanation for my recommendation if someone asked) did not mean that I had a vested interest in mulching mowers.

On the other hand, I would suggest that your history of bashing horns and horn speaker adherents would mean that you have a vested interest in continuing to bash them. What would happen if you actually found a pair of horns that you liked?

Personally, I like any speakers which sound nice. I happen to have horns. I do not think mine are less colored than the most accurate box speakers I have ever heard, but they were a lot less expensive, easier to drive, and they sound better than anything I have heard in the price range - which is, admittedly, not everything out there. However, I would bet substantial money that my horns will be able to be driven by a wider variety of good amplifiers than any ESLs you can find. If I had a lot of space and lived in the US, I might have SoundLabs, and I have always liked really big Magnepans. I had ESLs before and upgraded to my current horns because of weak bass and weak bass integration of the ESLs and their dynamic woofer.

"Blow the socks off" is a scientific term? I have yet to find a pair of ESLs which will work as well in a small-medium space as Altec 19s (which I am choosing as "horns" because they have a horn and Audiokinesis has praised them before - which should be a good enough definition for you). The Altecs are not the best thing out there in horns, but they sound really great (especially when modified like my friend's), and can be put in a smallish room. If I had tried to stick full-range ESLs (like big SoundLabs) in the same room, I would never be able to get over room issues. Full-range ESLs would, in practice, be about the worst thing possible in a small room where my friend runs his Altec 19s.

But I get the feeling by writing all this down I am probably just feeding the troll...

T_bone, while I agree with you, I find this entire pro/anti horn thing too reminiscent of subject v. objective discussions-probably best left to late in the night bar discussions. I have never understood why those not wanting to have horns feel they need to tell others that. I certainly don't care why they feel that way.

As I have said, I very much miss their quickness and think no other driver even gets close. But I also think compression drivers on horns are a must for this. Nevertheless, after owning seven different horn systems, I haven't had them in several years. Some horn systems have so much space between the horns, such as the Avantgarde Trios, that you hear one instrument in different locations depending on which note is being played. Also to get really deep bass you need monster horns.

I have basically chosen a three was ceramic driver, 187 pound each system with an excellent tweeter and good bass down to probably 40 Hz. Does a snare drum sound real? Of course, not. Am I happy? Yes.

I would just suggest that you ignore Weseixas.

T bone You and I (and everyone else other than Unsound)see eye to eye (ear to ear)about Weseixas. They have their description of us(zealots)and we have ours of them(trolls). He speaks nonsense. He has actually made statements about engineers who make the recordings, indicating they are deaf and lack taste. So he is knocking everyone. Wow. I am looking forward to more garbage from these guys. Duke, if you can learn to ignore these 2, we would still love to hear from you and what you have to say. Remember, on this particular thread, Weseixas and Unsound are by themselves, they are the out casts, even though they do not see it. It shows psychological problems these to have about being grown ups, and men, for that matter(as I am referred to as boy). This is a joke. My psychiatrist friend has read some of this thread(he is not interested in audio), and rather than laugh about these 2, he has found rather disturbing behavior patterns. So I am loving this all. Sorry to see Duke bow out. There is power in numbers. Again, it has been my pleasure to part of this.

Some own "many speakers", listing among them six differing types... Others instead, own just "one" pair that they are happy with!! My JBL 4550's will be in my living room when I move. :)

P.S. T bone I had a great time during the '96 Stereophile show, showing off, for 3 wonderful days, the Eurythmie speakers, along with other Jadis gear. I think they are great !