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Pick any discipline and you’ll find a gaggle of scam artists, con men, grifters and shady characters on one particular side, and they have this uncanny knack of drawing in dupes, marks, schmoes, and suckers.
>>>>Can we please keep discipline out of this? Yuk, yuk.
You can’t cheap an honest man and never wise up a chump. Besides, people would generally be much better off if they believed in too much rather than too little.