Seriously considering tube preamp…opinions?


Tube virgin, here. I am building a system and I'm trying to contain the preamp/amp cost to $3k or so. (I could go up a little.) 

I'm inclined not to dive into tubes all the way through, but get a solid state on the output end. (Open to suggestions; inclined toward PS Audio, Parasound.) I'm reading around about tube preamps and have talked with my local dealer, who sells Black Ice/Jolida and Prima Luna (PL). He used to carry Rogue but said they kept coming back for repairs. That's why he carries PL.

I'm asking these questions after having established (via reviews, comments) that Schiit gear is quite the value. Lately, I've been reading about Decware and other small tube makers. I'm very curious about buying direct, if possible, and a company that stands behind their products is crucial.

So, your opinions about tube integrated or *especially* tube preamps —

1. Who do you like? Consider I want to do pre/amp for a total of $3k if possible.

2. Do you think PL is worth all that money just for a preamp? I get the feeling they're high quality but a bit over-hyped. (No disrespect to the highly passionate Kevin Deal, but he's all over my search results.) And what would you think about $2k/$1k preamp-to-amp spending ratio?

3. Any sense of what happened to Jolida since the name change to "Black Ice"? I see there's a sordid story there but did the re-branding clear up the mess? Any experiences with the Black Ice company?

4. I know there are many Schiit fans out there; so my question would be -- did anyone consider Schiit for tube preamp and go another way? Or move beyond Schiit for any particular reason? It's hard not to just capitulate and do a Freya+ or Saga+ but why wouldn't one just go with Schiit?




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Hi all, just when you thought this thread was dead...
I'm seeing some deals out there, and I'm wondering how important it is for a tube amp to have the "ultra-linear vs. triode" switch? In what circumstances would that be important for listening? 
Another question -- sorry, they keep coming to me -- How important is it for you to have a tube amp fixable locally rather than having to ship it back to the maker for fixes or upgrades?
I believe that amplification components that are tube based, simple in design, and having point to point wiring best fit that description. 
In the case of an amplifier having a triode/ultralinear switch, the ultralinear position will, roughly speaking, usually double maximum power capability compared to the triode position (i.e., a 3 db increase), while probably also affecting sonics in some manner that depends on the design of the specific amp. If an amp you may consider provides adequate power for your purposes but lacks such a switch I wouldn’t consider the lack of the switch to be significant.

Also, FWIW, the only amps I’ve had which provided such a switch were two classic oldies, Marantz models Two monoblocks (late 1950s) and Nine monoblocks (1960s), which I owned during the 1990s. In both cases I preferred the sonics of triode mode, although the 18 or 20 watt capability of the Two in triode mode was not sufficient to handle some classical symphonic recordings having particularly wide dynamic range, with the 90 db speakers I had at the time.

Re fixing locally vs. shipping to the manufacturer, I suppose factors to consider would be the weight of the amp and (if it is bought used) whether or not original packing materials are available, either from the seller or by ordering them from the manufacturer.  But as a general rule of thumb I would say it is preferable to have an amp fixed by the manufacturer.

Best regards,
-- Al

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