Why no interest in reel to reel if you're looking for the ultimate sound?


Wondering why more people aren't into reel to reel if they're looking for the ultimate analog experience? I know title selection is limited and tapes are really expensive, but there are more good tapes available now than ever before.
People refer to a recording as having "master tape quality",  well you can actually hear that master tape sound through your own system and the point of entry to reel to reel is so much more affordable than getting into vinyl.  Thoughts? 
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@woflie62 " Admittedly, RTR with dbx noise reduction, his playback is of tremendously good SQ."

I still have a Teac A-3340S and when coupled with dbx and played at
15ips it is really good. It is boxed up and in a closet with 4 or 5 amps
and tapes and bunches of cables. I suspect that the Teac would need some service to be used again.  I used it exclusively to record records
and then just play the tape.  Expensive, you bet, but tons of fun.

Clearly some kind of illness at work. 
I used to sell RTR decks, back in the day. We had a Pioneer RT 1011L, at the store, that we used for demo purposes. We had recorded a bunch of direct to disc cuts at 15 ips on it's 1/2 track head assembly. Sounded excellent. For the purpose of high quality mix tapes, RTR is great. That being said, I'd rather listen to the LP's than even the best 2nd generation recordings. I think RTR is still a viable format for live and studio recordings. For pre-recorded music, not so much. Especially true with the expense and scarcity of new, blank media. 

If some of you out there want to dabble, there are some decks out there that make decent recordings for under a grand. The TEAC 2340 (7") or 3340 (10") are reliable, long lasting decks that had decent sound. Also the Pioneer 701, 707, 901 and 907's don't take up as much space, as some, and have direct drive motors, reducing the belt replacement issue. I have seen the 4 track versions of the Pioneer deck for under $1000. I have seen Revox B77's, several versions, for under $1000. Great sound, but needing a bit more maintenance than the Japanese decks.
I used to wish that tape would become mainstream but it hasn't happened - yet.

Every account I read or heard about stated the vast gulf between the original tape and the end consumer playback medium eg CD, vinyl, cassette etc.

Even artists such as Bob Dylan and Neil Young went on record to say what they heard on studio playback bore little resemblance to what was sold to the consumer.

Alas, the industry politics deemed it unwise to offer the consumer such a high quality format for whatever reason, but I'm guessing plagiarism must have been one, and sheer inconvenience must have been another. 

Oh well, perhaps one day digital will finally grow up and fully take its place.
I've heard R2R at Axpona and while it sounded wonderful there's just limited selection of music.
My R2R is the best sounding source I have. Noisy Analog Tape Wins!

I play Beatles Sgt. Pepper’s, CD. Then LP, everyone chooses LP, then Sgt. Pepper’s R2R, people always prefer tape (my nephew, a musician, began to cry he was so moved). Then I switch from McIntosh 300 wpc SS to tubes, 30 wpc, you guessed it, tubes all the way. Analog gets the fundamentals and overtones ’right’ is what/why I think.

Yes, R2R can be a lot less money than TT. But, you need both really. R2R machines, and tapes were a wealthy man’s game when new, then servicemen started buying them in Asia, (like cameras), they became more widespread, still expensive, but audiophiles went for them, and still do.

I zeroed in on Teac’s, Dual Capstan, Auto Reverse. X1000R is terrific. X2000R same, except Cobalt Heads and it’s Meter’s needles point down, X1000R needles point up.

X2000R is the last Prosumer Deck. X1000R sounds as good as X2000R, I got 2 X2000R’s for pride I suppose, I was working, making good money, why not. I gave my two son’s X1000R’s, eventually they will inherit my tapes and machines.

I inherited a Fisher President II with a 2 track stereo deck and some 2 track tapes from the late 50’s. Amazing!. That’s how I got started. I got a 4 track forward (home musicians layered tracks using these), then settled on 4 track (two forward, two reverse) for pre-recorded content.

Here’s a nice one, and, a 2 year square trade warranty is optional, I would take that, just under $1,800. delivered, add tax. The heads are not worn, the case is in good shape. Paper simulated wood, but they give it a nice appearance.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TEAC-X-1000R-TAPE-RECORDER-REEL-TO-REEL/303363539035?hash=item46a1e0405b:g:8pcAAOSwjT9dzhzd

Pre-Recorded Content is Limited by it’s end in the 80’s, however lots of great sounding content exists, and inexpensive. Hard to believe, but 50-60 years old, they sound amazing.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=reel+to+reel+tapes&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_sop=15

" RCA introduced pre-recorded 2 track Stereo tapes in 1955, and also there was the "Stacked or In-Line heads or Staggered or Displaced heads" formats. 1961 was the last hurrah for 2 track Stereo tapes. 4 track Stereo tapes were introduced in 1958-1959 to the USA, a format Tandberg of Oslo introduced, and Ampex adopted. 4 track open reel tapes soldiered on to some degree until Barclay-Crocker made their last ones in 1986. 3 3/4 IPS became a more common format for pop titles beginning in 1965"

I bought around 500 pre-recorded tapes after I realized how great they sounded, and how reliable the ancient tapes are.

I sold around 150 R2R tapes on eBay, unconditional return, and only gave full refunds to 2 customers, letting them keep the tape. One case, postal service destroyed the box (tape was fine), other case buyer said signal was weak. Perhaps his heads were dirty, why dissapoint, refund. Point is, I sold with full confidence 50-60 year old tapes with unconditional returns, think about that, and I have 100% rating. (I’m just beginning to sell LP’s on eBay).

Of course a full wide 2 track head sounds best, (4 tracks are 1/2 the width, 1/2 the amount of material for the signal. To save space, I play my 2 track tapes on my 4 track machine (boost one channel volume (it only partially overlaps the head), and cut other track’s volume.

Home or studio tapes, 2 track 15 ips are incredible.
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I’m handy, have the tools, can fix anything mechanical (not electronics). Every deck I worked on, new belts, remove/replace all lube, adjust speeds, brakes, ... once mechanically overhauled, plays great. I changed the worn heads on one machine.

It is wise to get a spare machine for parts when one for a good price shows up.

If you are handy, I would take a chance on this one for sure

https://www.ebay.com/itm/IN-BOX-BEAUTIFUL-TEAC-X-1000R-AUTO-REVERSE-REEL-TO-REEL-TAPE-DECK-RECORDER/124092750877?hash=item1ce4811c1d:g:Ky8AAOSwDnleUGv-

Totally loaded with remote control, and the rare ’Mickey Mouse’ dust cover
https://www.ebay.com/itm/TEAC-X-2000R-Reel-to-Reel-Remote-Dustcover-Original-Box-See-Video/153907456490?hash=item23d59969ea:g:QuUAAOSwkqBeob5P


X1000R, loaded, warranty available, he over-state how clean it is, but

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TEAC-X-1000R-Reel-to-Reel-Stereo-Deck-with-Dolby-DBX-and-EE-Remote-included/153786770425?hash=item23ce67e3f9:g:KB4AAOSwlkheEmUo

If you have to pay someone to work on a deck, see if there is a repair place near enough to avoid 2 way shipping, expensive and risky.

7-1/2 IPS is definitely preferred to 3-3/4 IPS, however, for desired content, I would buy the 3-3/4, and keep my eye out for 7-1/2, get it, sell the 3-3/4 version.