Anybody want a laugh?

djones51,

’Anyone read that drive by advertisement by a shill?’



Unfortunately I did.

Both millercarbon and mahgister seem to know their way around what might best be (kindly) defined as environmentally determined psycho-acoustic effects.

Fair enough, if that’s their thing. In my case I haven’t experienced any room issues that I’m aware of, but then I’ve never had speakers with enough low bass that could trigger booming issues so it’s never been a problem.

My current speakers need a minimum of 8 inches behind them or else the sound can start to get thick, slow, muddy etc.

So I think we all understand about the need for a little experimenting with speaker positioning, as well as the importance of getting the tweeters up to ear height, especially for those speakers which may have narrower dispersion.

Most of us will also have some idea that the difference between direct sound and reflected sound will depend upon things like speaker placement/ toe in etc, the distance we are sitting from them, the volume we are listening at, and possibly the shape of the room and its surfaces.

Some of us might prefer a more lively/reflective room (bare walls, hard surfaces) and some might want a more acoustically dead room (furnishings, carpets, curtains, bookshelves etc).

I’m pretty certain none of us would want to listen in a echoey cave or an anechoic chamber.

I have a large glass window (4ft by 6ft)  close behind my listening position and sometimes I might prefer to close the curtains, but sometimes I might not. The effect is only barely perceptible either way.

I admit I can’t get my head around the mathematics needed for optimum acoustics but I’m not bothered. If the likes of the Floyd Toole and Siegfried Linkwitz say that we shouldn’t get too obsessed about room acoustics, well that’s good enough for me.

The likes of millercarbon and mahgister may disagree. Good for them.

Fair enough, if that’s their thing. In my case I haven’t experienced any room issues that I’m aware of, but then I’ve never had speakers with enough low bass that could trigger booming issues so it’s never been a problem.

I dont want to disagree with a gentleman...

I will only say that controls of room acoustics affect not especially the bass frequencies but all the spectrum... And people before experiencing it dont know it and are not conscious of the improper rendition of timbre, imaging and all other characteristis that are affected by the non controlled room acoustic....

I was my self completely flabbergasted by those changes because some people speak about them times to times without insisting on them...The upgrade of a room acoustic exceed easily almost any other upgrade most of the times even of the speakers often...

I wish you the best....

P.S.

Dont be afraid by those who advise to use tech program, or measuring apparus, SPL meter etc... I makes all my changes by way of fun play listening, incrementally, and step by step with the helping of my ears only... There are PASSIVE materials used for the treatment.... But way less known are ACTIVE ways like resonators, Schumann generators, Helmholtz bottles, etc; these active ways changes the look of a room tough much more so than the passive way....My wife dont like that.... But they are very powerful....I use passive and active ways...

I call the acoustical treatment an acoustical embedding of the audio system, there are 2 others embeddings the resonant-mechanical embedding and the electrical grid embedding.... These 3 treatments exceed in S.Q. change any normal upgrade not of one component, but in "some" cases the upgrade of all components, so powerful they are....

Think about any manufacturer in the obligation to reveal these inconvenient truth(for the sale pitch) to you before you bought his 10,000 dollars amplifier or dac? Will you be pleased to learn that day that his perfect engineering gear is not enough by themself to create Hi-Fi experience? Asking the question is answering it.... :)

This is my painful, unsuspected, slowly gained, experience in my journey to win S.Q. Hi-Fi by myselves because of the lack of money...

If i ever had all the money necessary, perhaps i would have never guess that truth and would have been happy with costly gear, almost used like it is out of the box with very few means on controls in these 3 embeddings dimensions.... Like most people if you look at their virtual page system... minimalistic controls if there is some....

The truth is more controls there are, better the sound will be truest to his optimal original design potential.... Most gear are good enough for us if we treat these embeddings... Upgrading is not the way half the times.... And the good news is cost may be low.... I have purchase only very low cost materials and i have reverse engineer many tweaks with ideas of my own and it was fun.... If i can make it ANYBODY can.... I am a poet not a scientist nor a solder handyman, nor very crafty hands man .... :)

After 6 months of thinking about it and reading both sides of the debate, I decided to take the plunge and received my Etherregen yesterday. My philosophy about these things...if I need to ’blind test’ or switch the product in and out of my system, to double-check if it’s really improving anything - then it’s not doing enough for me. It goes back, simple as that. I’ve done it so many times and have no qualms about it.

In this particular case, the improvement in SQ is obvious and, quite honestly, I’m blown away by this switch. It’s staying in my system and has indeed taken it to a higher level. The test results published by ASR are useless, completely irrelevant. As further proof (for me)....I recently bought a DAC they had tested and found to be nearly perfect (Topping D90). It was rubbish compared to my Chord and was sent back without a second thought. It cost about 30% the price of the Chord, but was less than 30% as good, in my system. Ah but it tested brilliantly LOL

@glupson

" Tibetian singing bowl handmade in Nepal. Should it be Nepalese singing bowl, then? How does all that go? "

When the Chinese invaded Tibet in the early 50's, many Tibetans fled to escape the Chinese, including the Dali Lama who fled to India. When I visited Nepal bordering Tibet on the south, many Tibetan influences in art was easily found. My silver and gold bracelet has Tibetan writing on it.

rixthetrick,

That Tibetian/Nepalese statement reminded me of a board above the counter at a well-known local store. "Italian sodas. All natural pure fruit syrup from the heart of the French Alps". It was not even a joke, it was a real advertisement.

I guess that more accurate would be "Nepalese singing bowls made by Tibetans". Not that it matters, probably half of the world thinks it is the same thing.