Strange Klipsch thing

Wow! Unsound, we seem to have found a patch of muddy, swampy, common ground. NO PUSHING! ;-)

Bravo, Russ69!

Coloration is NOT a four letter word and every system adds it to some degree or the other. Embrace the coloration your speakers and room create. This is exactly what draws each of us to the choices we make. ALL rooms and speakers contribute to colorations.

That said, I think if folks are always hearing depth from their speakers on every recording that would be a clue to me something isn't right according to MY preferences. But it could be fine for someone else.

No depth is a illusion. It doesn't exist its a trick of the senses like stereo.

"No depth is a illusion. It doesn't exist its a trick of the senses like stereo. "

All of audio playback is an illusion and a reproduction but not "real".

Soundstage depth is no different than any other aspect of good sound. It can exist in the real world and in hifi playback under the right conditions. The rig owner has the power to determine which aspects of the illusion to focus on and enjoy or not with his rig. How the recording is made is a limitation just as it is in all the rest.

I can make a valid argument I think that if the 3-D spatial cues are present in teh recording and they are not reproduced in a 3-D manner accordingly then that is a coloration or type of distortion. This particular kind of "distortion" is inherent in headphone listening for example where an accurate 3-D presentation of spatial cues is not typically part of the game.

Would be a sin of omission not a coloration or distortion. Rooms interact with radiation patterns and can interfere with the illusion of depth. Horns tend to have controlled radiation patterns this can cause image to be more in front of loudspeakers but with less room interaction a dipole e stat etc would have a figure 8 radiation pattern which provides more depth but with more interaction with room. Neither is better than the other but one may have a personal preference. Its not distortion or coloration its just the way different designs control radiation patterns. And there interaction with listening spaces. I have built dipole horns works very well.

"Would be a sin of omission not a coloration or distortion."

Matter of perspective I suppose, but if the 3-d cues are there and not presented accurately, how is this different than watching a 3-D tv picture without the glasses needed to see it properly?

With audio, its less obvious and hence less of a distraction I suppose compared to 3-D images.

BTW 3-d TV has no appeal to me mainly because of the special glasses needed to see it properly and the option to not even have it.

With audio, 3-D presentation does have appeal to me because it is part of what was recorded and is always there in the recording to different degrees by default with no real option to remove.

If all tv were encoded for 3-D viewing, then I suspect we would all want to have a 3-D TV.

Yes, horns are more directional and also seem to lend themselves well towards going close to the rear wall, which can be an advantage, right?

They still play by the same rules of room acoustics as any other speakers though I think when it comes to 3-D soundstage and imaging. Good horns that are also highly resolving lend themselves well to the task from what I have heard, but I do not know if they will ever challenge the better omnis like mbl in terms of being the champs at soundstage depth specifically, if that is what turns you on.