Why the truth is not in them ??

@glupson,

"Science just discovered in this century that all that exist is consciousness..."

Tell that to the guy who is having a heart attack. "Hey, buddy, it is all in your head."


Yes, you can debate and philosophise all you want but there's no getting away from the fact that there is not a lot more 'real' than pain.

When Bertrand Russell was once asked whether he had any great thoughts as he desperately swam to escape a sinking ship (flying boat) the 76 year old philosopher said he was thinking about getting to the shore. 

Enjoy you body and life then....

I will....

But consciousness is not something that you can soap in a bath....

Nor something coming from an electric current from a Mary Shelley novel...

i suggest a very old experience when laying in your bed: Interrogate yourself, what am i ?....

That worked for well Plato and Buddah...

« I am Groucho Marx because i think i am Groucho Marx» -Groucho Marx

Perhaps a more convincing master than Groucho woul be interesting to meditate:

Planck said in 1944, "As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent spirit (orig. geist). This spirit is the matrix of all matter."

"That worked for well Plato and Buddah..."

For about 80 years. And each time they bumped their foot at the table they became aware of cruel reality.

One thing destructive of trust is needless careening into political posturing on an audio forum. We need politics free spaces where we can *share* interests.  Stick with audio, mc. Maybe share some new photos. 

And now we're back to solipsism.  Hmmmm....