I was at 19 inches from front wall with my Treo Ct's. Bottom bass octave was good, but mid to upper bass range was a bit weak. I used a pair of Vandersteen 2cWq subs. What I found out was the subs were acting like band-aids for the sound as it filled in the mid to upper bass range. I tried moving the Treos closer to the front wall going from 19 inches to 8 inches and also removing the subs. The speakers sound way better now from top to bottom without the subs. Bass is much improved. I like the Treos without the subs as sound is much more coherent with addition of better lower mids. I will have to do a lot of experimenting with the subs while trying to maintain the magic of the Treos by themselves. A major task to say the least....