A pragmatic view of cartridge expenses / many questions


Trying to see what your thoughts are on cartridge expenses? Do you buy cartridges and replace or retip after it’s worn? Cartridges are like tires for cars in some ways. You have to replace the tires after they wear out.

If you own an ultra expensive cartridge, let’s say, over 7k, is that your main spinner? Do you do a factory retip at costs exceeding thousands? Do some of you who own high cost cartridges use them only for special occasions, similar to drinking Dom Perigon for some special event, and use a normal not so exotic cartridge for regular day to day use and perhaps non-audiophile records.
I am sure each of us have our own price threshold and thoughts of high end cartridges. I only said 7k, because that seems to me a fair price point to describe a very expensive cartridge.

My thoughts are that having a few normally priced cartridges around is a good thing, due to the wear and tear, and replacing or retippimg would also be less costly. I do lust after some high end cartridges and if I do obtain one, my philosophy would be as described above. Enjoy for special occasions, and use a less costly for normal day to day listens. Geez, it feels like we are trying to separate our car cruises from a sports car feel to a luxury limo ride feel, in some ways. 
What’s your opinion on expendability of cartridges?
audioquest4life
I know I was at one where EAR's TDP had brought a Working Design for a ESL57 Powered by a Lethal Voltage Direct Coupled Amp.

To do this date I remain with a very memorable positive impression, and use Elecrostatics as a result.

I was also able to Audition the Launch of the Lorricraft Garrard TT at one of these Shows,  I bought a 401 as a result, then had it overhauled by Martin Bastin and had a 125lb - 60Kg Granite Plinth Produced for it,
and adorned it with a Mounted a SME IV.
I only sold the TT and Plinth a few years ago, which was a regret, as there was a Sentiment with it.
I missed the Idler Drive and now have a replacement which is much more user friendly for the Logistics, when going on a Visit to another premises.

As said before, I support Social Events, as a extension of my enthusiasm for HiFi.
One Club Event I visit which is a 400 Mile Round Trip for me, has the meeting place in the Audition Room at the Premises of a Purveyor of 
Hi End HiFi Devices.
All attendees devices that are brought for a Debut Presentation as a New Build, Improved on Build, or a Purchased device are auditioned on the Resident HiFi System.
The day evolves into a Period where the Vinyl offerings are the main interest.
This is a Event that is called randomly so no fixed dates, it is at the Premises Owners Discretion for when his time allows for it.
There is a interest outside of the Group Members and Professionals in the HiFi Industry attend, Directors of HiFi Manufacturing Companies,
renowned Custom Builders of HiFi, Very Skilled DIY Builder HiFi Enthusiasts, and even HiFi Magazine and Internet Site Journalists.

The Attendees know a thing or two, I feel it is safe to assume.

What is off most interest, is when a DIY Enthusiast Builder brings along a Homebuilt Device that has cost them a £200ish component value and how the impression it has made is very positive and there is a disbelief that the Device can perform as it does.
As the day unfolds in ascending values, it does not take long before the weaknesses in a Budget Build are starting to be indentified as the improved Devices will be clearly out in front.

I myself have been extremely impressed by devices brought for Audition, and have desired to learn more of the Devices that have left good impressions.
I have also brought along Devices for a Audition to which I received very good feed back, one of which was a show stopper and remained in use for a quite extended period, and not the usual audition time allocation.

Member of this Group, Company Director, Custom Builders,  as well as the Premises Owner Auditioned my System at the event I exhibited at,
and in Private Conversation, informed me I was the most impressive System they had heard all day, and I had changed their pre conceived conceptions about certain devices, and they were going to investigate further.
One of those devices being a Rebuilt Cartridge.

The Rebuilt Cartridge has one other unintended Comparison that it was subjected to, especially when considering it was attached to a Tonearm that was pre prepared to show of a Rare Cartridge Design that was costing Multiple £££££'s.
The Outcome was quite unexpected and the agreement was unanimous for the Quality of the Performance Rebuilt Cartridge.

As said my Knowledge of how to Measure a Device is non existent,
I entrust that to other who are more educated and skilled.
I am pleased with how spending time with Individuals who can broaden my experience, has helped me to be selective in my chosen devices,
with my producing a System that for myself is thoroughly enjoyed,
and has been very well regarded by others, of all different backgrounds in HiFi, who have had their experience of listening to it.    



      
My personal experience for what it is worth.
- I bought my first vinyl LP - Rolling Stones 12 x 5 - when I was 9. That is 57 years ago.
- when I was 14, I built my own “serious” system: Dyna PAS and Dyna 70 kits, Lafayette speakers, Grarard table and arm, Pickering cartridge.
- I graduated to Shure, Stanton cartridges in that system.
- my mature system can be found here: theaudioatticvinylsundays.com
- Over time, I have used maybe 20 different cartridges as that system evolved.
- for 25 years, I have relied on a Koetsu. First the Black. Then a Rosewood. Then an Onyx. I still have a Benz Micro from 35 years ago.
- I do believe in the law of diminishing returns. I did believe that there is no point in paying more than $1,500 for a cartridge. After that, it’s component interaction, and it is personal preference as I believe that we all learn to hear and listen differently. This was shown in a recent demonstration by Poppy Crum (neurologic scientist at Dolby) in the YouTube video “Audio Myths”. However, after continuous listening, the Benz sounded better than what came before it, the Rosewood sounds better than the Benz, and the Onyx sounds decidedly better than the Rosewood. (I still have never spent more than $1,500 on a cartridge: I bought the Rosewood used, and the Onyx was a gift from a California environmentalist musician as a thank you).
- a friend who has won 6 Grammys for his work with Deutsche Grammophon and has done some work on my amps for me (since undone by someone else, lol) swears by the Shure ... is it the V5? It’s no longer made.
- I send them to the Netherlands for refurbishing. Koetsu is too expensive, and even though Soundsmith is a 20 minute drive from me, It is still cheaper - a lot cheaper - to send them overseas.
- I have had a specific philosophical approach to the assembly of my system over a 50 year period. It hasn’t changed, it’s just been carefully upgraded, with costs kept under control by buying used or demos.
Hope that in some way addresses your concerns.
I neglected to add that I use the Onyx for serious listening, which is 95% of my listening, the Rosewood as backup when the Onyx is being refurbished, and the Benz for parties and certain monophonic and pop LPs from the 50s and 60s. 
@unreceivedogma,

'- a friend who has won 6 Grammys for his work with Deutsche Grammophon and has done some work on my amps for me (since undone by someone else, lol) swears by the Shure ... is it the V5? It’s no longer made.'


I think I remember reading somewhere that the Shure V15 mk3 was the exemplary tracking cartridge in its time. Perhaps this is what your friend from Deutsche Grammophon was suggesting? 

There's a little information here from the website Your Vinyl Destination:

'Shure V15 - the best cartridges of all time?'

http://best-turntables.com/shure-v15-series-explained/

According to J Gordon Holt, in the kind of review you're unlikely to read nowadays,

"In short, this is one of the two best pickups available, and is probably the best for most hi-fi perfectionists."

https://www.stereophile.com/content/shure-v15-iii-phono-cartridge#:~:text=Phono%20Cartridge%20Review....


Unfortunately Shure decided to pull out of cartridge manufacturing in 2018 citing the lack of availability of suitable parts.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/sad-news-vinyl-lovers-shure-exits-phono-ca...
Cd318,

I found the Shure V15 type III, IV, V and MR on eBay. 

ONE of them is supposed to be the one, the others, also-rans. 

Supposedly useless without the microridge stylus. 

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