Jazz is not Blues and Blues is not Jazz.......

twoleftears,

Of course it doesn’t matter. That is the point. Isn’t it? It doesn’t matter. That is precisely the rebuttal to the premise of the original post. As Duke said, “there are only two kinds of music....good and bad”.

However, if opening that can of worms one must, then other issues become relevant and inescapable if trying to define it. History and influences are just two; not to mention things like musical form and other theory. That Grant Green clip had a lot more in common with the Blues than just the “form”.

Now, about “credentials”. Did guitarist Peter Green pick cotton? I kinda doubt it. I guess that means he is not a Blues player. Tell that to all his fans.

Bottom line (and re that Grant Green clip):

Classic twelve bar Blues form. Uses a Blues tonality and scales. Is inflected like the Blues......it’s a Blues.

The two have obviously diverged but they come from the same place blues being a bit more ancient. Jazz frequently plays homage to blues as in Kind of Blue. But the intent of genres has changed so much that blues in particular is hardly recognizable. Jazz is now composed of numerous mini genres some of which are hardly recognizable as music. I can always listen to John Lee But the Art Ensemble of Chicago can get a bit tedious and I have to be in the mood and alone in the house. 

That Clarksdale clip pretty much defined the "real" Blues, and Jazz is still jazz; my ears tell me so. When I hear any of the classic Blues players from Clarksdale playing "On Green Dolphin Street" I might have a change of heart.

I notice nobody has mentioned "Ragtime", which is linked to Scott Joplin and Jelly Roll Morton who claims to have invented jazz.

It seems that what's called modern jazz has come a long way. While modern jazz borrows from many genres of music, I don't believe they are connected in a linear sort of way, like if we didn't have this we couldn't have that. Where does "Ragtime" come in;


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