Just added full LP playback


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I've just added a new LP playback to my system.   It sounds very nice, but...........

re: Pro-ject Classic, Hana SL , Musical Surroundings Phonomona II+
My digital is Chord Qutest with Roon as comparison 

so,  I’m finding the playback being somewhat sibilant and bass shy , as compared to digital 
yes, I’m only about 25-30 hrs of break-in and working on adding albums to add 

what would be the suggested steps for remediation of the SQ 

Jeff
frozentundra
Welcome aboard!. Don’t give up, you will get it right, and be glad you did, it’s worth the work.

1st: your preamp. It comes from the factory setup for MM cartridges, it needs to be re-configured for your cartridge’s 0.5mv signal strength and it’s 30 ohm coil impedance.

http://www.musicalsurroundings.com/downloads/products/p2-manual.pdf

gain, chart page 4: 40db from factory for MM, top line 1-8 all off.
try 56db gain, 1 in, 2,3,4 off

load, also preset for MM. 1-7 off, 8 on
try top line, 30 ohm setting, 2,3,4,5,6 on; 7,8 off

Gotta change these settings for both l and r channels, it is a dual mono design.

Now how is it?
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If problem persists: it’s something else to do with your TT/cartridge’s physical setup.

IF it is just the VTA, you can adjust it easily enough, your manual, step 11, pages 10,11

https://www.project-audio.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/TheClassic_SB_Superpack-Manual.pdf

Still a problem?

Any TT only beats digital when it is very carefully and correctly set up. There is a lot involved/some tools needed, you received alignment protractor and stylus gauge in the box.

level platter; Alignment of arm; cartridge: overhang distance/two null points alignment/tracking force/anti-skate/azimuth/VTA (vertical tracking angle, which is adjusted by raising and lowering the arm post. rock steady platform to start, if isolation needed, solve that independently.

Who/when Setup?

Factory, store, a friend on site, yourself, someone needs to verify, after it is in place, that all is correct. You will benefit forever by acquiring the needed low cost tools, and skills yourself.

Verify Differences:

Do you have the same music, CD and LP? You mention streaming, I use factory CD, factory LP for comparisons. CD version omits any TT issues: Thus amount/sound of bass, mids, highs are correct, to compare TT to.

I use this excellently recorded music to verify system l/r balance (both l/r volume and lack of any frequency shifting l/r) then compare CD/LP after I carefully set up my TT

https://www.discogs.com/Al-Di-Meola-John-McLaughlin-Paco-De-Lucia-Friday-Night-In-San-Francisco/mast...

Side 2, tracks 2 and 3, all 3 guitarists play. Not only CD to LP comparison, these 2 tracks are a big help with final anti-skate adjustment after all else is correct, listen for distinct l/r guitars and audience vol l/r. more or less anti-skate will effect both l/r and it will make the center guitar less distinct, perhaps a bit off center l or r.

anti-skate: start with what the manual says, but use known music and your ears to refine.

CD version, proves your system is balanced, you will here all 3 guitarists distinctly, strong center, very distinct l and r. Good? Great!

Now, LP version. Hear the sibilants/weak bass problem still? Balance, imaging, as distinct as the CD version? These 2 tracks reveal when it is wrong, and wonderfully when it is right!

I can tell you, my LP version, on my very carefully setup TT (i’m 72, lots of setup experience and all low cost needed tools) beats the CD, certainly no sibilants/weak bass.

Enough Bass: I’m interested in the subtleties of Jazz Bass and drums more than canons, so I use these two:

https://www.discogs.com/Niels-Henning-%C3%98rsted-Pedersen-Sam-Jones-Double-Bass/release/1703343

https://www.discogs.com/Mickey-Hart-Planet-Drum/master/246917

mids, I go to Cassandra Wilson’s voice (another to get both CD/LP versions)

https://www.discogs.com/Cassandra-Wilson-Blue-Light-Til-Dawn/master/40901

Eurythmics, Sade, Kodo Drummers, and the damn 1812 canons.

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Audioguy85, buy a Hi Fi news test record and run the resonance test tracks. You will find the warble starting above 12 Hz. You have to stop making assumptions and learn to measure the performance of your system on your own. The OP complains of lack luster bass. No review that I have read says this of the Hana. The Hana being a typical Japanese MC cartridge was designed for their favorite heavy tonearms. The OPs arm will run best with cartridges in and around 15 X 10 (-6) cm/dyne like Ortofons and Lyras. Jeff, the screws are not expensive. If you get them please tell us what you discover in using them. It would help this discussion in a major way. This is where the truth is :)
Paulgardner, yes, you might benefit from some additional weight. You can get the afore mentioned Soundsmith screws an play around empirically or spend a little more and get a test record to get an idea where you are. I prefer having a test record. I don't like guessing. I have subwoofers that run perfectly flat down to 18 Hz and have found with a number of cartridges that running your tonearm resonance frequency down at 8 Hz produces the best bass performance, as good as high resolution digital.
It is important to remember that between 8 and 16 Hz is an entire octave!
@frozentundra,

Thanks for starting this thread, learning a great deal here. I am also tinkering with Vinyl and recently put together following setup,

Thorens - TD1601 with TP 92 tonearm, Hana ML, Parasound - Zphono XRM Phono Preamplifier.

The setup is far from being completely ‘dialed in’ but I am being patient with the process and figuring things out.
Mijostyn, thanks for the info, but I have no issues with my Hana EL and pro-ject the classic combo. My bass is fine and I have wonderful detail retrieval. My post or reply was to point out that people with far more knowledge and experience, ie stereophile and others, have used the hana el on arms that are of less effective mass than that of the pro-ject carbon arm (13.5 grams). The only issue that can arise with the above combo is the stock counterweight. The existing counterweight is fine with the hana if you use heavier hardware other than what came with the hana. Otherwise, pro-ject recommends the use of an alternate counterweight, I believe the model 282. What you give up is the good looks of the polished chrome finish and anti resonant material of the stock counterweight, as the alternate counterweight is black and has no anti resonant material. The hana is considered a lower mid compliance cartridge. The Denon 103 to compare is a Low compliance cartridge. Although. Some have also used it in the above tonearm to good effect. In fact there is a review of the music hall mmf-9.3 equipped with the lighter pro-ject arm (11 grams) whereas the reviewer also utilized the Denon 103 with no ill
Effects. As I said, I have had no issues with the hana and the 9 inch carbon arm.
Audioguy, I am thrilled that you are happy with your system but Jeff is not happy with his and I am doing my best to help him out. You obviously do not need it and I am not trying to help you in any way shape or form. You are the one who interpolated yourself into this discussion but since you are here you might consider getting yourself a set of these screws. They are really sharp looking and who knows, someday you might get yourself a Koetsu and really need them.