Tubes most likely to improve SQ?


I have a newly purchased integrated tube amplifier.  The tubes consist of 2 x 12AU7, 2 x 12AX7, and 4 x EL34.  All of the stock tubes are chinese tubes labelled by the amp manufacturer..  They may not be, but look very much like Psvane 12AU7-T without the gold pins.

I have owned many excellent SS amps (Krell KSA-100, Parasound A23, Parasound A21, Classe AMP2 and a few others.). I bought this amp on a gamble and am surprised how amazingly good it sounds into my upgraded Tekton Electrons.   I have tried GE 5 Star 5814 in the place of the 12AU7 and was very impressed. Now I am considering a bit more tube rolling.

 Am I likely to get much change/improvement from changing the 12AX7 or the EL34?


chinook9
yes, for better or worse.

small tubes can make big differences, as well as the power tubes.

buy from sources that allow you to return/refund/try another brand.

I bought sylvania 6sl7's from Brent, high priced, great write up, however, I didn't like em. Brent had me break them 60 hours (just leave them on, no signal needed), then decide, still not as nice as original unmarked ones. picked ge tubes that cost half as much, I paid return shipping, he sent the ge's and gave me the balance as a refund.
Agree with the preamp tubes first but the thread should read "most likely to affect SQ"....whether it's better is up to your ears.
Tubes will respond and sound different in different circuits, so YMMV. The best 12AU7 I’ve tried in my amps are the RCA clear tops. I’ve also been really happy substituting a 12BH7 for a 12AU7... love those.

Different el34s can sound quite different too. In my amp, the Electro-harmonix EL34s have wonderful clear mids and treble. The Nesstone EL34s have tighter bass. (since I’m bi-amping I can use both where I think they sound the best)
All of the tube slots should affect the sound, and I imagine it would be mostly in a positive way for vintage tube swaps. Yes start with 12ax7 - it’s the most likely to make the most impact, and there are gobs of them out there. Then 12au7 - like knotscott I always got big gains swapping to 12bh7 away from 12au7. When it comes down to it I don’t really like the 12au7 tube type that much. HOWEVER the 12bh7 draws twice the heater current, and your amp’s filament supply needs to have enough overhead to supply this -- it’s really going to be hard to verify this on a Chinese built amp, and I definitely wouldn’t assume it’s OK. But there are other 12au7 subs you can look into that don’t suck down much more filament juice than a 12au7. I also find power tubes make a big difference too, but the vintage market on these is extremely small and expensive. Best here to stick with Russian re-issues, and try a different compatible "type" that your amp can handle (e.g. KT88 to KT90 or KT120 is a common sub).

And don’t go too crazy spending too much on vintage NOS American / Euro tubes for a Chinese tube amp! Classic "used, tests strong" examples from the big makers (RCA, Telefunken, Amperex, Mullard) should do nicely here. The "big", well-known NOS tube dealers will charge a boatload for matched pairs -- you'll end up spending a good portion of your amp's actual cost before you know it. You could get unlucky with a set of duds from the secondary dealers/markets, and still come out ahead.