Article: "Spin Me Round: Why Vinyl is Better Than Digital"

@mahgister I know full well what timbre is since music theory in college

First my post about timbre was not directed to you, but to the "specialist" which with i was discussing...Then no need to be insulted by some information you already know...By the way timbre is not only a musical fact, but also an acoustical fact, and also a neurological and linguistic fact, and even other things...Then some information was necessary....You are not alone here...Dont be too reactive to some post like a teen.... 😁

Your mansplaining or copying out of a book is irrelevant and adolescent.

Here spare me your gratuitous insult please, i cited 5 lines of wiki, calling back a complex description of Timbre for a non specialist in 5 points and the post was not directed to you....I use this clear 5 points to illustrate my own point...I am not a specialist and i cannot reinvent the wheel....

My other citation is 2 lines about the fact that timbre is not an abstract digital signal but an acoustical event...The writer said it better than i said it already in my posts.... Another time i cannot reinvent the wheel... I am not a genius nor an engineer nor an acoustician...and my discourse was aiming to a "specialist" here, then i used this citation for his clarity in the context...

By the way if you think my citation was irrelevant, i think you are of bad faith, the wiki 5 lines are TOTALLY relevant to the course of the discussion....

Perhaps it is your attack of my post that is irrelevant and adolescent... Others will judge...

Most of what you talk about is rambling gibberish suitable for an abnormal psych textbook but not here, though we appreciate the enthusiasm!

I will not take this one for an insult because i think that you assimilate and confound the content of my explanation with my bad use of the syntax and rhetorical english... English is not my first language and i never use it except for reading.... I apologize for that....But my explanation is perhaps cumbersome but understandable.... I know that timbre is not an illusory purely subjective elusive phenomenon it is a real timing bundles of events for the ears/brain and i was not sure that my interlocutor knows it....

My opinion about audio digital format versus analog format was clearly expressed tough...Contrary to my interlocutor i dont accuse vinyl afficionados of illusion or pure fetichism because they like the sound of their turntable and cannot support bad digital dac or recording or prefer simply vinyl...Fetichism for the cardboard pocket containing the vinyl perhaps refreshing their nostalgia but it is an another matter....

Then i will deduce from your remark about my posts that certainly they were not ABSOLUTE gibberish even for you if you have appreciated my enthusiasm, and i will attribute to your own excessive enthusiasm the fact that you have not been cautious enough and you have not precised clearly that your words about my " rambling" was more inspired by my heavy writing than by my content and argument about timbre....I suppose that you are enough intelligent to be able to read through my bad writing.... Adding the fact that i am in no way a specialist...

Then i thank you for your underlining of my enthusiasm... If i had a little representation of what timbre is like you have it seems, admit simply with me that many here dont....And that explain all.....

My main point for all audiophiles was clear also, the mechanical, electrical and acoustical embeddings of the system/house/room make a powerful impact on the perception of timbre in audio experience, even more perhaps than the choice of a turntable or a dac... That is my experience after 2 years of experiments by the way with my own devices....

Happy new year...

And this is technically inaccurate gibberish. Which is worse? There is nothing "infinite" wrt a microphone or our ears for that matter.  Microphones have bandwidth and noise limitations and ultimately sensitivity limitations. So do our ears. Maybe some understanding about Nyquist and SNR before posting?

acmaier314 posts12-31-2020 12:31amHere’s another point worth considering
microphones and instruments are analog (infinite in that sense). Sampling no matter how good is not infinite (if you don’t get the 3/4D aspect).  
There’s no instrument but the human ear for this (yet).

audio2design, it is like running into a brick wall. I suspect that most of these people have very little experience with digital equipment and obviously have no idea how powerful it is. They will keep coming up with baseless explanations for digital sounding awful or why vinyl "sounds better." I suspect most of their opinions are based on the very early CD players that had bad filters and did sound pretty bad. I do not even read mahgister's posts any more. They make me dizzy.

Folks, if I make a 24/96 recording of any vinyl album and play both the recording and the album back synchronized none of you would ever be able to tell the difference between the two and that is a fact. (it has been done.) I suggest you get some experience. Buy the program Pure Vinyl and download a few hi res digital files. Use Pure Vinyl to record some albums to your computer. Have fun and learn. Notice I have not said a thing about better sound and the capability of your hearing. One format will sound better than another when it comes to a specific album depending entirely on the mastering. But, there are many instances when the digital version sounds definitively better. I wish I could demonstrate this to you online but it is impossible.

I do have friend who had diploma in physics and who worked in university. So he can speak about Nyquist an hour as he now in retirement so he had a time to get into it up to human ear construction. But in general if somebody says that digital / Nyquist is perfect - no. Nowadays digital changed as it has less space limitations so hi-res is better and we can leave Nyquist in the dust of history.
But if to speak about DAC there is 2 sides of it - digital and analog. And implementation can't be perfect. So we don't hear what was recorded anyway.
With analog rig it's more complicated. Much more. It's not perfect either. No medium can be perfect.
With digital everything is more easier especially recording process... and software allows to do a lot of tricks. But at the very end it's not perfect as we do have perfect recording engineer who knows everything except ...

bukanona, I think that is a given that very little in this life is perfect. The other problem is that "sounds better" is a purely subjective issue with psycho-social ramifications. If you just look at the waveform as it comes out of the microphones or console a digital process up to the vinyl is beyond belief more accurate than an analog one, but this says nothing about "sounding better." "Sounding better" is a whole other issue which is tied to evaluation by humans. Now you get into a whole mess as you see here.