I discuss 4 days, none of my arguments were answered at all...
Timbre concept was dimiss being an euphonic "taste" or a subjective superficial color on top of the "accurate" objective "sound".
For example : no microphone choices is perfect, it is a trade-off and the possible locations are numerous...
Then no recording process could be a PERFECT timbre musical dynamic reproduction....( i will not count for a loss the mixing works but there is a loss also there)
Then a musician or an audiophile will evaluate positively his instrumental timbre experience with his chosen format, ONLY in the optimal acoustical conditions of his listening room... His experience is not a reproduction but an always more or less successful recreation of a timbre experience and dynamics, phrase, from a chosen format in a SPECIFIC acoustical listening room and specific hi-fi system with his specific right embeddings dimensions or the lack of........
My point is the installation of the electrical, mechanical and acoustical treatment and controls are more important to the recreation of the live event for an audiophile in his listening room than the choice of the digital format recording under ONLY the pretext of his mathematical " accurate" translation from the microphones to the speakers... Accurate in bits does not equal automatically accurate for the ears in a concrete room...More than that any audio system work optimally ONLY if its mechanical and electrical embeddings and the acoustical dimension are well under control....
The reason why i argued with him was his judgement about all turntable owners to be deluded by their illusory "taste" or only ignorant, all that by virtue of a very well known theorem that assure us that the translation from the analog microphone to the digital format and his retranslation to the speakers are "accurate" mathematically( a reverse microphone) All that forgetting about the right conditions necessary to live or recreate the musical concrete timbre experience...
A dynamical timbre living event in the acoustical space in his own timing dimension resemble more to a cell than to a mass of bits, even accurate....
Music need sound but is not only sound, it is an embodied sound...A conscious historical event ( said Ernest Ansermet mathematician and one of the greatest maestro writer of the most important book about music in the last century, by the way, i read it try this 1000 pages book 😊). Is Ansermet lying? 😁
My point was that musical timbre dynamic of a playing musician CANNOT be totally perfectly recorded...Then no format can reproduce PURELY the original... But it seems to many people that perhaps analog format is more robust than digital with this lost of information at the recording moment by microphone choices and locations...I dont know that for sure...You are in a better place than me to know that frogman....
My main point is controlling the mechanical and electrical and acoustical dimensions of the audio system are more important for me than the format even if it is a digital one...This i know for sure....
No speakers can beat the room, no microphones can perfectly digest an instrument, no audio system can work great without being rightfully embedded in these 3 dimensions where it work.....
A lived event can be recreated more or less perfectly not perfectly reproduced....I use the term recreatebecause there ia always something that will be added and substracted from the live original event...Our best hope are then a relative recreation not a perfect reproduction ....
Timbre concept was dimiss being an euphonic "taste" or a subjective superficial color on top of the "accurate" objective "sound".
For example : no microphone choices is perfect, it is a trade-off and the possible locations are numerous...
Then no recording process could be a PERFECT timbre musical dynamic reproduction....( i will not count for a loss the mixing works but there is a loss also there)
Then a musician or an audiophile will evaluate positively his instrumental timbre experience with his chosen format, ONLY in the optimal acoustical conditions of his listening room... His experience is not a reproduction but an always more or less successful recreation of a timbre experience and dynamics, phrase, from a chosen format in a SPECIFIC acoustical listening room and specific hi-fi system with his specific right embeddings dimensions or the lack of........
My point is the installation of the electrical, mechanical and acoustical treatment and controls are more important to the recreation of the live event for an audiophile in his listening room than the choice of the digital format recording under ONLY the pretext of his mathematical " accurate" translation from the microphones to the speakers... Accurate in bits does not equal automatically accurate for the ears in a concrete room...More than that any audio system work optimally ONLY if its mechanical and electrical embeddings and the acoustical dimension are well under control....
The reason why i argued with him was his judgement about all turntable owners to be deluded by their illusory "taste" or only ignorant, all that by virtue of a very well known theorem that assure us that the translation from the analog microphone to the digital format and his retranslation to the speakers are "accurate" mathematically( a reverse microphone) All that forgetting about the right conditions necessary to live or recreate the musical concrete timbre experience...
A dynamical timbre living event in the acoustical space in his own timing dimension resemble more to a cell than to a mass of bits, even accurate....
Music need sound but is not only sound, it is an embodied sound...A conscious historical event ( said Ernest Ansermet mathematician and one of the greatest maestro writer of the most important book about music in the last century, by the way, i read it try this 1000 pages book 😊). Is Ansermet lying? 😁
My point was that musical timbre dynamic of a playing musician CANNOT be totally perfectly recorded...Then no format can reproduce PURELY the original... But it seems to many people that perhaps analog format is more robust than digital with this lost of information at the recording moment by microphone choices and locations...I dont know that for sure...You are in a better place than me to know that frogman....
My main point is controlling the mechanical and electrical and acoustical dimensions of the audio system are more important for me than the format even if it is a digital one...This i know for sure....
No speakers can beat the room, no microphones can perfectly digest an instrument, no audio system can work great without being rightfully embedded in these 3 dimensions where it work.....
A lived event can be recreated more or less perfectly not perfectly reproduced....I use the term recreatebecause there ia always something that will be added and substracted from the live original event...Our best hope are then a relative recreation not a perfect reproduction ....