The Decline of the Music Industry

Please don’t take what I am writing as racist, I am looking at influences and how that differed by race. I find it interesting.

Your reading of the society conditions related to music are so filled with ignorance and biases that i cannot even correct you in few words...

I think you were arrogant and now i think you are pathetic....

Do you really think that poverty affect differently people depending on race?

The reason for the decline is decline in general education, music included, and technological dependency....Time spend on a computer is not time spend on study and playing violin....

Bob Dylan was litterate for example that has nothing to do with race....And Rap is all in the text, metaphor and poetry....Because of the situation of black people in US the most strong expressive means chosen  was Poetry on a beat....

 Education subordination to money explain  social condition not races distinction....

That’s okay mahgister, I think you burned out too many brain cells and you ramble because you like to hear yourself.


However, dismissing what I wrote, while taking a childish and lazy way out, gets you no honors, at least in my book.


If you don’t want to live in reality and talk about the real world, then you go ahead and leave it to the adults who are not afraid of more difficult topics.


You, the op perhaps, and zappa say "decline of music" but what you really mean is decline of music that you like or appreciate. Not everyone feels that way, and if you think factors that affected large swaths of society as a whole do not influence music and the people who make it then you have lost touch with reality. Poverty may be poverty, but if a poverty rate of a portion of society goes from 25% to 5%, then you will have far less music about poverty in the portion of society. When is the last time you heard a song about the Russians nuking us?

People are more educated and more diversely educated than they have ever been. Most popular music is created by people with a passion for music, not because their parents forced them to study violin. If there is never another violin virtuoso alive, my life won't change and neither will most others, though I am not sure who will perform the next Star Wars theme.

if you read my last post there is an ARGUMENT....

If i read your post only insult.....

Who is the adult and who is the child?


I will repeat my argument because it seems difficult for you to read a text:

Education subordination to money explain social condition not races distinction....
The musical decline itself come from a lack in education and the time passed with technological artefact....

There exist many other factors but they are less impactful than these 2....

People are more educated and more diversely educated than they have ever been.

You confuse being informed with being educated....Information has nothing to do with being educated....It is related but is is absolutely not the same thing.... Being connected to wikipedia is convenient but that dont give to someone the thinking process to analyse what is "timbre" in music or acoustic.....Or that dont give Bob Dylan his mastering of poetry....Information is raw fact and bits, not thinking process immersed in an art, or in science or in philosophy..... Culture and education are NEVER about information in any way, especially before college.... Education is learning how to live a life not how to use a coomputer....

Education change with time, you are right about that, but the thinking process of human is linked to their mastering of language and body, not computer or information.....This will not change except for the technocrat of transhumanism....

Arguments are only arguments when they are factual. There is no factual basis for stating people are less educated, as they clearly are not. Your attempt to define "education" as it suits your argument is straw-man.  There is probably less music education, but, at least with popular music, it is not apparent that there is a high correlation from "forced" music education and a drive to create popular music.  Even the notion that there is a "decline" in music can be argued against.

You are basically throwing stuff against a wall and hoping it will stick without showing correlation let alone causation.

@audio2design: "I think it is one of the reasons for the rise of black/ethnic "pop" music through the 90’s into the 2000’s. Everyone else had it too good, so there was not enough "emotion" to drive the song writing."

I assume you’re African American? If not, feel free to explain, truly, what exactly "black/ethnic ’pop’ music" is and how you have any agency. @mahgister has it right - that statement is about as ignorant and general as you can get. Please - how about some examples of this genre from that time period? And Id love to hear how "everyone else" had it so good. Like my classmates in our Appalachian high school with a mean family income of less than $27K a year. I assume we had it good.

And this gem - ""White" pop had a peak in the 80’s. It was a reflection/culmination of life. Hey, look at us, we have prosperity, no one is trying to nuke us today, walls are coming down. Let’s celebrate life." -- applies to 1989 and onward - not the rest of the 80’s. I mean, "Walking on Sunshine" and "Take On Me" and "Jump" and "Caribbean Queen" were all mid-80’s, in the heart of the cold war and the threat of imminent nuclear annihilation, and those aren't exactly dirges.