Most rooms don’t need acoustical treatment.

Apologies mahgister, but I couldn’t resist - just a light hearted (bad?) joke made with benevolent intentions - hope you don’t take it the wrong way 😉

No need to apologize...

You make me laugh...

For 2 reasons, the first is it is a good joke...

But i laugh more because it was true, i modified all my headphones with success... My journey to good sound begins with them...

 I am "nut" with or without headphone.... For all my friends only tough... And you are a friend....

 Thank for the smile.....

You may be able to get away without acoustical treatment in a living room where there is unorganized clutter, but in a dedicated room where you're dealing with parallel walls, sharp corners, flutter echos, bass bump, etc. room treatment is a must. It's likely that most living room will sound better than an untreated dedicated room but once you have the dedicated room treated properly, the sound is beyond anything you've achieved in the past.

I once saw the DIY PVC pipes in a room and thought there's no way it does anything, I guess it's time to look into what it does. You don't know what you don't know until you know.

And, if you watch, almost every new thread he is one of the first responders. So full of it. He doesn’t have a life or really listen to music, he just spends all of his time posting here.

This could be said of several members of this forum.

In the Motorcycle, Sportbike and Road Racing we call these people Posers. They are easy to spot, they have the latest gear and the expensive motorcycle but have no idea how to ride. The like to pull up to the mall and their 2 wheeled extension of their manhood and say “look at me”. As you look closer you see a bake with a 2 inch chicken stripe on there rear tire (afraid to lean into a corner) and when they ride away they never rev is over 3500 RPM.

We have a lot of Posers here. 
Then there are the Squids the guys who buy cheap bikes, make them loud and ride like idiots in traffic.They are screaming for attention like the Poser but put others at risk in the way they ride.

I have a saying “If you want to know how slow you are on the street, go spend a day on a race track”

Wow there are a lot of Posers and Squids here on this forum.

Who or what are you?

Then there are the Squids the guys who buy cheap bikes, make them loud and ride like idiots in traffic.They are screaming for attention like the Poser but put others at risk in the way they ride.

All metaphors has the limit intended or unintended by their user...




 For example myself, i bought cheap audio, i make listening experiment , with conventional scientific datas, for example Helmholtz acoustic, and sometimes taking my own way, for exemple investigating the effect of shungite on my electrical grid at low cost...

What do you call riding like idiot in the traffic? and putting others at risk in my case?

Communicating cheap way to experiment and improve the system is not putting others at risk, but limiting the illusion of consumerism and contesting with some fact the linear relation between price and S.Q.


Your metaphor is right for part, in any group, there exist poser, and squid and true pro....But also the solitary out of the crowd persona....The stranger...And you miss it... Why?

Anyway your metaphor is only a tool to simplify human relations in a group and classify very different humans in three categories FOR YOUR OWN PURPOSE AND AGENDA...I add here the category that was missing...The most important category for Hollywood...The stranger to any group....

I dont work with simplistic metaphors in my life simply because in your group i am the man who take his motorcycle solitary and i dont speak to group members but to human on a one to one basis always....

I hate groups and crowds...The group mentality, motorcycles or of any other mass mentality... I never had a boss in all my life... I go my way....I worked all my life without anyone beside me.... But understand me right i like people on a one to one basis...Any herd mentality will make me quit the game....I am a sorcerer not a sheep classified in your limited 3 categories list...

In a virtual audio thread we must take the risk to speak to many and be simplisticly categorized...

This post was just to correct for the more important missing category.... The most important one by the way....The stranger....Who is in any list you will make for your use but is truely in none....

The fact that precisely this category was lacking from your list indicate much about yourself no ?

My best to you....

Provocative premise?  He could have said "Mono always beats stereo!"  Or 2+2=5.   Regardless, I'd guess most who care about their sound would agree the premise is incorrect generally speaking.

Let's say most rooms will benefit from acoustic treatment. Not treating a room that sounds 'fine to me' will still probably always make it sound better. And big bass spikes are hard to dispel without treatment of some sort. 

There are plenty of sneaky ways to treat a 'living room' system that don't wreck the esthetics. Or you live with a bit less; life does not end. With over 150 sq ft of window glass in a 21x17 room, and art on the walls, by necessity I use DSP room correction. With speakers on long wall and tweeters out 50" my 8ft triangle is somewhat near-field with a large opening behind the listening chair.

The DSP removes all bass spikes (room and speaker created). I use just a single EQ curve, only to reduce brightness due to reflection (although far off in arrival ms). The difference is more than noticeable; gone are the bass booms and louder treble. That and the untreated room give me near flat frequency response from 30-16k. Removing the correction makes one cringe.  I like the sound of music with a flat system; others do not.

I have no doubt additional acoustical treatments would improve the room. Mahgister is dragging me into his camp mentally (thanks, I guess). If I was using a cave-like 12x20x8 basement room I could go wild experimenting but I'm totally unwilling to blow off my daytime rky mtn views since I'm retired.