Low gain dac!

@charles1dad - Thanks, I don’t understand George either!

I am one that likes what tubes bring to a system, but have decided to have them in the pre amp as tube power amps would need more care and my speakers are 87db, so needs good power, not necessarily many watts, but a good power supply is a good thing, maybe some day I will have tube mono amps, Supratek makes a nice pair, so, maybe that would be a good pairing with my pre someday when I have gone on pension and have more time on my hands.
I made a post in the Supratek tread about when in Bangkok I was so lucky to hear a anniversary Supratek setup with Triangle speakers, the dealer had time for me, and we sat listening to music and talking about Hi-Fi, music and life in general, I think for 2 hours, as my wife was shopping, that was the best sound I have ever heard and today I can lister to even a better pre from Supratek.
Never expected to buy a pre amp all the way from a one man production shop in Australia, but it’s been totally worth it.

Just listening to this https://youtu.be/qsRLRmRogKU
wonderful music, it is YouTube but it sounds quite okey.

Hi @gryphongryph,
I do understand George’s concerns to a point. Your power amplifier is high sensitivity (Only requires 0.7 v input, same as my 300b SET). So obviously your DAC has a surplus of output voltage relative to your amplifier’s needs. But you know that.

I completely understand your decision. Once you’ve found a component that really pushes your music loving soul buttons why in the world would you discard it? You are very happy with your audio system sound quality and that’s a big deal. I believe that you’ll find an appropriate DAC that matches better (Gain/voltage) with your excellent Supratek.
Charles

OP your thread turned out to be an interesting topic for me, gain is something we don’t pay attention to when we assemble our systems, some of us new to this hobby assume equipment will just work alone with other equipment but that is not always the case.
I totally understand you love the Supratek, preamps in general if these are good provide a very satisfying sound on our systems, but other parts too, as an example in my system rotating equipment and such, for digital reproduction only I found that I cannot live without a piece of software which does all my digital conversio, we all have our preferences.

Now, about your issue, Charles understands what you are asking and it will be hard to find here on Agon someone as well intentioned as Charles when providing unbiased advice, he is a super helpful respectful individual, certainly he has my respect entirely.George on the other hand also tries to provide good advice but he is very direct and he is very strict with his own audio beliefs so most of the time he comes out as harsh, (English is not my native either so bear with me using adjectives here). George is somehow criticizing the Supra as having too much gain, George believes in passive preamps and simplification hence his comments, and he is right IMO on many of his comments. Nothing wrong on having your own strict beliefs but it is important how you present these to others.

Now I do believe not so much on passives but on simplification so in your case and as others have stated, if you must keep the Supra and as George said changing your dac is just a band aid IMHO so your Amp (again as George stated) would be a better replacement than your Dac, the Supra and Belles are just not a good match gain wise. And over the years the life cycle of a Dac on your system should be less than an Amp, you’ll be replacing dacs leaving the Belles there and your dac options will be mostly limited trying to create that match with your preamp and amps.

I myself would go into a completely different direction because there is something I would love to try and compare on my system.

There is this Dac (May) with resistor drift correction on the output analog stage (the analog output stage is IMO one of the critical parts for sound reproduction on any Dac because I, personally don’t use or care about the filters on the Dac’s digital stage so much, that’s why I use software for preprocessing) ,which happens to be also buffered, 5.8 V out on its balanced output (this will definitely won’t work on your existing system). I would love to connect this Dac directly to my amplifier and see how it sounds with no preamp (George might tell me now I'm creating the same effect as with a passive preamp and he would be kind of right but not exactly the same, this is no preamp at all) and I will be doing Dsp volume control on software.

But of course this is something I would like to try personally, I done it before but with dacs with no output buffered stages and low output voltages and in all cases I preferred the included preamp sound to dac alone so I understand why you keeping the Supra.
BTW have you tried the DHT stage with EML 45s?
Cheers

Luis

+1 Charles

The OP's opening statement was the desire to replace a high gain  DAC with one having less gain.

Well, The OP has a DAC with 4.3V output, far more than needed. Also a high gain preamp and high sensitivity amplifier which on technical basis may not be ideal, however how these play together with the speakers satisfies the OP who only is looking to reduce gain to take better use of volume control. Seems to me that replacing the DAC with one having less than 2V output would reduce the gain by close to 10dB at the source with the least alteration of the sound quality of the system and allow greater degrees movement on volume control.