So you think wire conductors in cables are directional? Think again...

They think that human ears are inferior to measuring tools...They use the limits of their tools and project it on the human ears like if it was only an external material tool... They claim, blinded with their parameters coming from ONE dimension only that we cannot hear - 200 Db signal noise ratio for example... They are not even wrong...

They dont know that "music" dont exist in the world.... Only sounds...

It is consciousness creation called "art"...

What we hear in music and speech cannot be reduced to all measures...It can be correlated yes , reduced never...This is Science....This is the basis of good design...

But ultimately what is there to be measured, the "sounds" are TRANSFORMED by the act of hearing them in something, music or speech, which we can understand but cannot totally measured on all his dimensions simultaneously like the brain did it... We created also speech when speaking or music when playing an instrument, which convey the soul in an intricate way which cannot be understood WITHOUT a translation by the soul of the listener... There is nothing more to measure, the essential is not there to be measured but to be understood by the will and heart and not only the mind...Shannon information theory is not a poem, the equations live on a scale which is not the same scale of meaning than a poem....

One day some robot will say to me that he can think and some will believe it...

I will never believe it because to think we need to be connected to all the universe at once or to the source of meaning ....

And by mathematical definition an A. I. is a disconnected tools...Save for cultist and superstitious mind like transhumanism zealots whatever sophisticated they are....


Like migrating birds navigating earth, human body perceive with way more than the external limited tools in one dimension and limited parameters....The human body is itself an integrated measuring set of  tools connected to many dimensions exceeding any of our normal external tools...





«Our tools never dreams»-Groucho Marx 🤓

A lot of the so called "objectivists" believe in some of the so called "measurement websites".  They measure some frequency responses, some basic distortions and make some wild claims that nobody cares to check.  

It's funny how these "objectivists" are taken for a ride and they just blindly believe without even questioning about the validity of these so called "measurements".  How funny as they are being duped.  

All it takes nowadays to be an "expert" is to just go out and buy some test equipment you can afford and viola!, you're an expert. Now you can measure to your hearts content being guided by your expectation bias as the measurements you make bear out what you always believed to be true. It is, after all, your intention.

Gabriel Galen procured lots of patents that Belden Cables holds and with 32 years as one of their chief engineers, can't be summarily dismissed. He's been wholly of the objectivist camp for most of his entire life. He says that it's impossible to accurately measure inductance with any meter priced below $8,000. The Hewlett-Packard LCR machine he measures on costs $80,000. How many objectivists posting here have access to or use this level of test equipment?

When Gabriel set out to design his line of Iconoclast cables (done at Blue Jeans Cables) he discovered that UP- OCC, OFE, ETPC copper all  sound different from each other yet it can't be measured. He still builds by measurement (each cable comes with it's own certificate with all the specs), but lets the consumer choose which level of copper to pick for the build. Even this objectivists admits that not everything can be measured.

All the best,
Nonoise

andy21,300 posts05-17-2021 1:07pmA lot of the so called "objectivists" believe in some of the so called "measurement websites". They measure some frequency responses, some basic distortions and make some wild claims that nobody cares to check.  

It's funny how these "objectivists" are taken for a ride and they just blindly believe without even questioning about the validity of these so called "measurements". How funny as they are being duped.  

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On my third order of popcorn, movie style of course. The subjectivists are pulling out their heavy hitting, well frankly I am not sure what to call this. Measurements are repeatable. The test methodologies can be documents so that others can recreate the experiment.  Come on now, you are not even trying with this post.

Penalty, 10 yards, for poor effort.

nonoise7,051 posts05-17-2021 1:56pmAll it takes nowadays to be an "expert" is to just go out and buy some test equipment you can afford and viola!, you're an expert. Now you can measure to your hearts content being guided by your expectation bias as the measurements you make bear out what you always believed to be true. It is, after all, your intention.

Gabriel Galen procured lots of patents that Belden Cables holds and with 32 years as one of their chief engineers, can't be summarily dismissed. He's been wholly of the objectivist camp for most of his entire life. He says that it's impossible to accurately measure inductance with any meter priced below $8,000. The Hewlett-Packard LCR machine he measures on costs $80,000. How many objectivists posting here have access to or use this level of test equipment?


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Did Galen Gareis qualify what he meant by accurate?  $500 may be enough for many things. Test equipment that is $8,000 from a Western supplier may be $2,000 from an Asian supplier. Then there is EBAY.  On ASR I am surprised by how sophisticated many people's home test benches are. Far better than almost all cable vendors.  That is marketing speak by Galen. It impresses his target audience, and is obviously successful

Can you please explain Galen's expertise on audio or audio equipment. I do not think he has any other than being a hobbyist, and he does not even have relevant design experience. All we are going on is his word it sounds better. That is not very objective at all.  Seems all you need to be an expert is to claim you can hear things. Galen does have a lot in common with a lot of people posting here.  

Time for more popcorn!