So you think wire conductors in cables are directional? Think again...

nonoise7,052 posts05-17-2021 2:49pmSo now you're back pedaling on what constitutes the cost of the cheaper test equipment? That maybe they're all created equal and is just price exchange of different countries. Right......

As for ASR, it's been ridiculed for how they measure and costs of it's test equipment by other test measuring sites. Surely you've know that for awhile. As for Gabriel Galen's expertise, you've got so much to learn. Just a hobbyist? Try google.

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The Klippel speaker measuring equipment they use is absolutely state of the art.  The headphone testing system is similarly very high end. The Audio Precision gear is not the very latest and greatest, but it still reveals issues in what should be state of the art products.

I would have to pedal forward to back peddle. Galen made an unqualified off the cuff comment. Their $80K unit was at Belden, and would be for very high frequency cables. He makes no justification for that cost or precision requirement for audio. Even $8K he has not justified. A quick search shows $10K for 0.05% accuracy out to 1MHz. No need for that level of accuracy. At audio frequencies and well beyond, a signal generator, scope, and precision resistor and I can measure within a % or 2. I can even get pretty close on characteristic impedance. That's $1-2K.  That is sufficiency accuracy for a cable in audio.

It has not been called HP for 22 years. One of the best HP LCR meter for 20Hz - 300Khz is <$5,000 now. Times have changed.  I can find equivalent or better specs from a tier 2 for 1/2 that.

You made a comment about people claiming to be experts, but you are quoting someone without the expertise to know if what they said is accurate or relevant.

It's interesting that you now admit cable measurements are actually useful, and Blue Jeans Cable is very forthcoming about what they do. here's a bit of very useful info from their website. I have never bought from nor have a relationship with this company, but I do appreciate the honesty put forth.

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/exoticmaterials.htm

For crying out loud, what is wrong with you people? I’ve never said, implied or proffered anything saying measurements don’t matter. Just that they can’t measure everything.

You guys are bending over backwards to justify your inability to hear and having to rely on test measurements to make yourself feel better. If you can’t hear it, fine. No one is going to fault you for that. If you can’t afford it and begrudge others who can, then that’s a different kettle of fish, isn’t it?

Practically every, single argument lets slip the cost factor, even when it’s not brought up by those who are willing to pay just a little more for something that sounds better. Get over it.

As for the better accuracy of the more expensive test equipment and the negating of it since it’s not necessary for your purposes, you’re gonna have to do better than that. All sugabooger is doing is some really poor rationalizing, spilling his popcorn.

Even John Atkinson mentioned the limits of some modern day test equipment that couldn’t hold a candle to the ones he learned with in the old days. Those scopes showed more, varying info than the newer ones which showed nothing amiss.

As for HP now having a different owner and a new name and calling me out on it is juvenile, at best, and shows just how desperate you are to be right. The machine he uses still is called HP. You're bordering on moronic.

All the best,
Nonoise

In my day job, we wouldn’t trust any equipment. We actually have to characterize equipment to make sure they measure what they advertise.

Apparently, some here just google up some equipment and think they are good enough.

$10K for 0.05% accuracy out to 1MHz

I suppose some people have the data to back up 0.05% is good enough to measure human hearing. I don’t, but if you post something, you need to back up your claims.

That is sufficiency accuracy for a cable in audio.

Again, a statement without evidence or proof.

Interesting how some can so readily believe in what they search on google. :-)