So you think wire conductors in cables are directional? Think again...

What is hearing but perception?

One side cant prove its point because there is no consensus on the validity of measurement. In fact there is no consensus on what you should measure. 

The other side, which I support, cant prove anything either due to the significance of the individual experience. Difference is that we are not telling you to stop measuring and to migrate to our camp. Fact is we dont care which puts us in a much more enviable position.

Just dont tell us what we hear and attribute it to soft science. Also dont tell us that there is no variability in the ability to hear.

Look at all that chest puffing, but not an argument among the four of you. That is rather telling.

Hm... interesting.  Any data from you yet?

By the way, equations are not data.

If you trust your own brain, in a sited listening test, even though physics tells you that what you perceive you are hearing is impossible, then you a self deluded, whether intelligent or not. If further measurements validates the physics and you still are trusting your perception, then are you an audiophile?

And (not so) cleverly hidden in that statement is a faulty premise. They are saying you can't hear what is being measured but not everything can be, and is being, measured.

We are not at the height of scientific achievements and, as has been already pointed out, they need better tools to measure with.

This is turning out to be a knock-off of Revenge of the Nerds.

All the best,
Nonoise

«ALL that which we hear can be measured,

If you hear something which cannot correspond to any measures,

You hear an "illusion"....»

This is a children sophism....

A children can spot the problem in the premises with the word "all"....


But an adult arrogating and monopolizing abusively the word "science" for itself can miss this elementaty mistake...

So much powerful is this other deceptive "cult" that misrepresented technology with science...And reduce reality to a misconception of  "science"....

Not everything can be counted, counts. Not everything that counts, can be counted.

You can’t judge a speaker by just the freq. response graph. Same for cables.

Yes, if there are some obvious anomaly in the freq. response, then sure you can say it’s a bad speaker or cables, but within some acceptable range, measurements cannot separate the bad from the good.

The problem is 99% of the speakers or cables on the market all fall within the "acceptable range". Only listening can tell.

If you think you can measure a cable freq. distortion and can tell the good and the bad, you may as well spend your time watching paint drying.