Why don't more recordings have soundstage outside of speakers

Ya got a choice. Ya can have good and accurate imaging, or you can have an artificial and wide sound stage inaccurate imaging. Without those tricks Mijostyn and pragmasi talked about, ya don’t get things placed well outside the speakers. Ya don’t get that in live music either unless you are sitting first row at the orchestra. Bad place for good sound.

Yes you are right it is a trade-off... Between imaging and soundstage like between Source width (ASW) and listener envelopment (LEV)

But stating a problem is not solving it.... 😁😁




 The goal is optimization of these correlated 4 factors with timing and mechanical equalization with fine tined a Helmholtz resonators grid, tuning the room for the speakers and marking out the flows from each speaker to each ears....They play this double function....


"Those tricks" i used then and of which you speak about after mijostyn, are precise acoustical concepts, acoustical timing threshold optimization and the optimal ratio between late and early reflections for my room....By the way my instrument timbre experience is relatively natural which is a sign of a good acoustic control all along the optimization process...

With this room control my music, with a level which is relative to each recording for sure, is outside the speakers with a pin point imaging, the 2 factors related then in an optimal way....

Your post only reflect like in mijostyn case your lack of acoustic control in your own room  and misunderstanding of these concepts...

Simple...

Begin with this research paper....


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0003682X06002118?imgSel=Y

Ya can't solve some problems without sophisticated tools. Your tricks don't solve the problem of why sounds don't naturally extend past the speakers. Nothing to do with late or early reflections. Nothing to do with Helmholz radiators. A link to a paper that is a hypothesis not gonna change the issue. Reflections don't give ya the accurate placement of sounds. It only gives you a false set of sound locations. Ya it may sound wider, but it is not what is in the music.

You are comical....

Helmholtz resonators are the way Helmholtz himself set the subject matter here in science...

"nothing to do with late and early reflections" and tricks....
Control of the timing of reflections is not a trick....

You distorted what i say, i never say that only timing the direct sound and the reflections and controlling their ratio is enough for the imaging experience... Speakers placement and type and volume, cross talk controls, play a role also....i spoke about not only imaging, remember, but also about listener envelopment and HERE timing of reflections play a major role...

optimization between these factors are key of room control....

A grid of finely tuned and located Helmholtz resonators is a scientific tool not a trick...




I recognize you immediately after you said to me that this reseach paper which inspire me was only an "hypothesis".... No one could say that without being a top level digital audio engineer, the same one who already say the same thing few weeks ago about the same paper....

But my friend this "hypothesis" was very fruitful for the "amateur" i am....

Anyway i recognize you my friend , different syntax but same "distorted ways"....I will not argue with you a second time.... I understand your perspective but you are unable to understand mine....

Thanks to you, i created my mechanical equalizer arguing with you....

Then my best to you .....I will drink pu’erh tea to your health.....enjoy educating us your way....

Ya all got to up your reading abilities. It says HYPOTHESIS in the first paragraph. Don't take no genius to know it is a hypothesis when they say it is a hypothesis. Ya not getting the basics here of how this all works and ya seem confused by more than that.

You are comical!

For sure hypothesis is used in the first line of this research paper....Guess why?

It is not the word "hypothesis" the problem, it was your way to say in a discredited manner that it is "ONLY AN HYPOTHESIS"...

In all reasearch papers EVERYBODY know or you must know that any research start with a "hypothesis" justifying the experiment...The word hypothesis dont discredited the value of an experiment....Save in your head...

Then for you to say it is "only an hypothesis"  is like saying nothing of that is PROVED.... It is a way to denigrate the paper which inspired me....For sure nothing is proved definitively here but it inspire me and it is a very interesting "hypothesis".... At least say it.....Spite it.....

 Then for you to say that is is "only an hypothesis", it is not an argument, but a sophism......

English is not my first language but i know how to read and think.....And i know you a bit now...