Why don't more recordings have soundstage outside of speakers

Ya can't solve some problems without sophisticated tools. Your tricks don't solve the problem of why sounds don't naturally extend past the speakers. Nothing to do with late or early reflections. Nothing to do with Helmholz radiators. A link to a paper that is a hypothesis not gonna change the issue. Reflections don't give ya the accurate placement of sounds. It only gives you a false set of sound locations. Ya it may sound wider, but it is not what is in the music.

You are comical....

Helmholtz resonators are the way Helmholtz himself set the subject matter here in science...

"nothing to do with late and early reflections" and tricks....
Control of the timing of reflections is not a trick....

You distorted what i say, i never say that only timing the direct sound and the reflections and controlling their ratio is enough for the imaging experience... Speakers placement and type and volume, cross talk controls, play a role also....i spoke about not only imaging, remember, but also about listener envelopment and HERE timing of reflections play a major role...

optimization between these factors are key of room control....

A grid of finely tuned and located Helmholtz resonators is a scientific tool not a trick...




I recognize you immediately after you said to me that this reseach paper which inspire me was only an "hypothesis".... No one could say that without being a top level digital audio engineer, the same one who already say the same thing few weeks ago about the same paper....

But my friend this "hypothesis" was very fruitful for the "amateur" i am....

Anyway i recognize you my friend , different syntax but same "distorted ways"....I will not argue with you a second time.... I understand your perspective but you are unable to understand mine....

Thanks to you, i created my mechanical equalizer arguing with you....

Then my best to you .....I will drink pu’erh tea to your health.....enjoy educating us your way....

Ya all got to up your reading abilities. It says HYPOTHESIS in the first paragraph. Don't take no genius to know it is a hypothesis when they say it is a hypothesis. Ya not getting the basics here of how this all works and ya seem confused by more than that.

You are comical!

For sure hypothesis is used in the first line of this research paper....Guess why?

It is not the word "hypothesis" the problem, it was your way to say in a discredited manner that it is "ONLY AN HYPOTHESIS"...

In all reasearch papers EVERYBODY know or you must know that any research start with a "hypothesis" justifying the experiment...The word hypothesis dont discredited the value of an experiment....Save in your head...

Then for you to say it is "only an hypothesis"  is like saying nothing of that is PROVED.... It is a way to denigrate the paper which inspired me....For sure nothing is proved definitively here but it inspire me and it is a very interesting "hypothesis".... At least say it.....Spite it.....

 Then for you to say that is is "only an hypothesis", it is not an argument, but a sophism......

English is not my first language but i know how to read and think.....And i know you a bit now...

I find all the disdain for tricks and gimmicks quite amusing - the whole thing is a trick unless you summon your own string quartet every time you listen to music. But I guess you could say that there is a continuum of musical production from the simplest mono recording through multi-mic setups to completely electronic music production. Personally I don't draw a line where one side is right and the other is wrong.
I like the threads here that make me go away and check my thinking, so I put on Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard. From the minimal information I can find this appears to have been recorded with a three mic setup straight onto two track... nearly as simple as you can get. Listening on both my nearfield monitors and main speakers the instruments themselves spread slightly wider than the speakers themselves, it is however the ambience which is completely enveloping and gives you the sense of space. I've taken care setting up my listening space but it's a long way from being acoustically optimal.