Why is science just a starting point and not an end point?


Measurements are useful to verify specifications and identify any underlying issues that might be a concern. Test tones are used to show how equipment performs below audible levels but how music performs at listening levels is the deciding criteria. In that regard science fails miserably.

Why is it so?
pedroeb
mahgister5,689 posts05-05-2021 8:51pm
In that regard science fails miserably.
Science dont fail at all...Pseudo scientist fail...
Sorry but your quote is from the OP of this thread not from me...

Science never fails miserably...

Only "self appointed scientist" here fails miserably...

Then dont implicate me in your future irrational  rant....

Thanks
I’d much rather read here how people leverage science to help find what they seek rather than philosophical discussions on the merits of science. That is a moot point. 
mapman19,263 posts05-07-2021 7:49pmDiscounting science is a popular hobby with people these days it seems. It helps make some feel special I guess to discount things they do not understand and just say they know better and there is always a captive audience for that.  Just like for the crap fast food people eat and the junk shows on TV they eat up as well. Whereas the reality is that mastering any field of science or any other actual field of value (not merely unbridled ideology) is what actually makes people special. How about those Mars landings? How’d they do that? It takes an education and a lot of thought. It’s the only way to get things done. Wherever you might get it from.

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Mars/space industry is a   complete totally waste of human effort and genius. 
Science has been a  phenomenon lately, but is there anything really to show that has made, can make life  in the future any better?
 
The most important science is being completely, well lets say is being severly neglected. That of psychology. 
Not the kind taught in the Universities, 
I am speaking of the studies Jung left behind, which are being ignored and worse misunderstood. 

Science is  the agent of man's genius that has and is now,  slowly but surely destroying the delicate balance of the earth;s natural eco systems. 
Science  gave the tools to destroy, can science now make tools to heal and restore the planet?
mahgister5,690 posts05-12-2021 4:49pm
Of course, one could make judgements and opinions of the sound - that’s a starting point, not an end point.
Good post....

Not only we can interpret the sound of this amplifier experience but we will interpret it differently in different conditions.


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True and not true

The new  wide band speakers are inproduction. 
This for me is The End of The Speaker Road, The final spin on the Speaker-Merry_Go-Round for me. 
High sens  is The End of my xover speaker disaster journey.

Power tube amplifiers,, Most sound very close. 
The only component  which possess  gigantic difference in design types, are ~~Speakers~~
Xover designs , to me pretty much all sound the same, just different flavors of that paricular dish, 
A dish which i find horrible tasting.
Wide band, now here is the complete total opposite of xover designed speakers. Thus
Power tube = power tube, onlya  slight nuance here and there.
Speakers
xover vs Wide Band
Night vs day, black vs white,
Extreme comparison. 
Either you like one and reject the other, 
Or love the one and hate the other.
No middle ground here. 
Ask yourself: When science has been corrected: how was it corrected?
That's right, by more science. It's a self-correcting method.


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Exactly. 
this is what is going on in the world of high fidelity speakers right now.
2 labs in germany wanted to know and discover, what was it that made the Field Coil speakers of the 1920's, made in Chicago Illinois  and Klangsfilm in Berlin/ so special in reproducing midrange/high fq's.
So they broke apart these drivers. Added in the experiements from Fostex, and Lowther and now have taken the old science and developed a  new speaker science.
Yet seems the audiophile community prefer to stay with the OLD-new science =
The xover science in speaker designs. 
We all fell for the marketing hype, ,, minus the horn crowd, they knew better. 
man I hope i never ever listen to a   speaker with a  xover in the 800hz=15khz range ever again.
I'm done with dome tweeters, ribbons, horns, ,,
Wide band for me is the   end of speaker technology. 
back to The Future, back to  1920's Chicago and Berlin.