Vibration - What are the Main Sources?

mglik-

The two obvious and central components needing vibration control are the TT and speakers. IME, other component also benefit but the improvements are more subtle. 

That's what I thought too. That's why my first component to get Pods was my turntable. Makes sense, right? Took some time for John Hannant to talk me into trying them under my tube amp. When I did, what a surprise! The improvement was somewhat different but at least as great as under the turntable.   

The difference was with the turntable the vast majority of improvement was in the area of resonance control. A huge amount of coloration, that had not even been audible, was removed. Every instrument sounded so much more distinctively like what it really is. Audiophiles love to talk about hearing the differences between guitars, all these little sonic signatures that tell you what is what. Dynamics got a little better, details, blacker background, all that. But the bulk of it was in the area of truth of timbre.  

Under the tube amp this was reversed. There was a big improvement in truth of timbre, but an even bigger improvement in dynamics! That amp just seemed to come alive with Pods! So I kept going and tried the phono stage. Same thing. The phono stage was sort of in between the other two, a more even improvement across the board, no one area standing out like with the amp and table.  

Now at this point I have already put springs under the power conditioner and subs, about the only thing left is the motor controller.  This has been on cones for years. This was also the least responsive of all my components, to all kinds of tweaks. They worked, just not nearly as much as elsewhere. Now with all these leftover springs I decided to try them and much to my surprise the improvement was about as good as under the other stuff! So I played around a little more, and now it is on Pods. 

It may well be that my system is so much more resolving now than years ago things that would barely have registered are now as if viewed under a microscope. For sure Moabs made a huge improvement, but there's a lot more than that. Anyway, that is pure speculation. Only thing I know for sure, vibration control, when it is done at Townshend Pods level works really good under everything. 

@mc
I’m hoping the industrial online spring retailers can help sort out the correct spring based on total weight. May have to diy some kind of spring damper.
Suspect the Minus K gear will be difficult to diy…

https://www.minusk.com

It’s sad that a topic worth discussing gets sidelined by the same few posters.

What a patently silly thing to say, unless you’re in a certain someone’s corner who always starts these fights.
That, and didn't you get the memo to stay on topic?

@perki

I kinda want this :)

Minus K

Yes, it's probably the superior passive isolation money can buy. I was also looking into it for myself, and it's really really expensive. I just can't (at the moment) work out how to justify the cost, make it look good and have it work with my stand mount speakers. But yeah, excellent products.

@nonoise - yeah, you're allright mate. I was a bit rude, I regret it now. Apologies.

Yes everything vibrates. But some will gladly play others by stoking fear and uncertainty. Including fear that some undetected vibration will negatively impact some audiophile’s sound. Once a fear of some problem exists you can then sell some expensive esoteric fix that nobody would care about otherwise. It’s how these things work. Marketing is all a game you know.

@mapman
Well the real issue here I take with that comment is that I have actually heard isolation done well, and you can choose to ignore the technology, however it damned well works.

I couldn't care less what brand is used. I do care that such a relevant advancement in the resolution and enjoyment for others would be stifled by misinformation based upon +30 year old ideologies.

And there's more advancement to be used in conjunction with broad frequency isolation, namely, tuned mass dampers. Stick to your guns, but don't mind those of us who are still going to tell you, that you are not correct.

Broad frequency isolation used on traditional speaker enclosures will absolutely improve the resolution of the loud speaker. And it helps with the structure the speakers are played within as well, the substrate, the walls, the component stands.

You are already enjoying broad frequency isolation when you are either a passenger or driving an automobile, perhaps it's time to move forward with your sound too? And even if not, hopefully others will at least discover for themselves that unfortunately, in the particular case, you are simply not correct.

@rixthetrick 
Oh yeah, not very attractive looking, nor very user friendly according to the review I read. And, $$$’s…

Pencil, paper, some tools, some parts and a bit of wood…