So how much do you think the placebo effect impacts our listening preferences?


My hypothesis is that for ~%97 of us, the more a headphone costs the more we will enjoy the headphone.

My secondary hypothesis is that the more I told consumers a headset cost, the more they would enjoy the phones. i.e. a $30 headphone < $300 headphone < $3,000 headphones <<< $30,000 headphones.

I’m willing to bet that if I put the kph 30i drivers in the focal utopia’s chassis and told participants in this fake study that the phones cost $4k.... Everyone except for the 3%ers would never guess something was up. The remaining 97% would have no clue and report that it was the best set they ever heard.

Then if I gave them the kph30i and explained it was $30. 97% of people would crap on them after hearing the same driver in a different chassis.

My ultimate hypothesis is that build quality and price are the two most important factors in determining if people will enjoy a set of headphones. This how I rationalize the HD8XX getting crap on when only 3 people have heard it and publicly provided their opinion lol. "It’s a cheaper 800s, of course it’s going to sound worse!"

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@soix 

we have a new polluter here... don't waste your breath... as we know, this place sorts itself out after before long... juvenile folks like this with very little to contribute won't be around for long

let's just enjoy the music and ignore the noise
If you don't believe the placebo effect can affect your judgement, then you are suffering from the placebo effect.
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@soix 

Read all of this carefully before replying...

The problem with folks who tend to disagree with others on this site is...
1) they are too opinionated (and easily offended)
2) they don't provide any backing to their claims (believe they have all the answers)
3) they don't understand how to have an honest discussion (ramblings, going off topic, etc. like a high school student)

So we disagree about something. WONDERFUL.
Nothing is going to change in real life for either of us.

So you're saying that no single headphone in the world can sound like a speaker? For example, have superb imaging and soundstaging capabilities? Have you heard headphones that cost more than $20? Are you limited to your local Walmart for audio needs? Have you actually worked with professional studio monitors that cost as much as your house?

Have you ever worked in studios, with audio professionals, or even spoken to industry leaders? 🤔 I don't know...but the funny thing is you are so deeply concerned about someone else's viewpoints...you really need to get a life.
Yes, the truth might well be out there, but finding it seems to be quite another matter.
https://www.soundonsound.com/mastering
https://seanolive.blogspot.com/2009/10/audios-circle-of-confusion.html?m=1
The Audio Circle of Confusion is a very useful concept...
 thanks to cd318 for the short useful article....

It only confirm my point about the supremum importance of the acoustical embeddings controls over almost anything and even more powerful than the completely underestimated mechanical and electrical noise floor control...( in my limited experience)

We must begin somewhere and we will not change the general situation in recordings industry in the near time to come ... We must begin with our audio room and then we will cease to buy bad recordings......






For the headphones debate the discussion is impossible because people like what they already own like i was in love with my headphones :

I never said that headphones are bad and not audiophile matters...I say that i dont feel the need to use them at all anymore and i try to explain why....

Second i said that the atmosphere and acoustial potential settings of a room so complex they are, contrary to the FIXED limitations of shells and drivers of any headphones, can be modified MORE EASILY than an headphone shells, like some "acoustical clay", with PASSIVE usual materials treatment and ACTIVE Helmholtz resonators controls and others complementary unorthodox ways....I never said that acoustical treatment and controls are easy to made.... I ONLY said that it will not need to cost big money at all to do it ... i did it at peanuts cost then😊.....

Then almost no headphones can give you what a "relatively well chosen" speakers/room will give after some acoustical modifications...But YES it is way more easy to use a good headphone than transforming the speakers/room relation....It is way more easy to buy costly gear than studying,listening,experimenting and creating your own solution...I did it not because i was clever than anybody here.... I did it because i was dreaming audiophiles dreams WITHOUT the money to BUY them... Any man is resourceful in adversity or he die....I was....

No need to use sarcasm or insult.... Little Brain work is enough and experiments...

If someone disagree with what i just said , it is simply that his room/speakers are uncontrolled, or his choice of speakers underpar, or the two....






Am i deaf to think that i prefer now my room/speakers to my 7 headphones?

In the beginning with the same speakers it was the complete opposite... I begins my audio journey modding my headphones and refining them....I quit the headphone forums when i begin to adress mechanical, electrical and acoustical working embedding dimensions of my system/room and i come here....

The only change in my last 2 years are the fine tuning of my acoustical controls and also mechanical more effective vibrations controls ....Nothing else.... Same dac, same amplifier, same speakers ....

I will not pay 10,000 bucks for a better headphone system than my last 7 one.....I dont fell this need no more....





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