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Listening Skills Part Duex: What are you listening for?
I’ll admit that I said, time, experience and exposure, including exposure to the sound of real instruments informed me, as did the evolution of equipment and my ears. To some extent, we are dependent on the source material, as you appeared to acknowledge in the other thread. What new and unfamiliar sound characteristics are you referring to? I’ve listened to everything from voodoo chants from Haiti to ancient big band cut to transcription, to some pretty serious modern vinyl 50-now. Is it "Oh, I heard a scraping noise in the background that I never heard before, therefore what?" I’m not being facetious. I answered your question in good faith. And if my response is "same-same" and I’m not cutting any new ground, then I guess I have to ask you where you see the Promise Land? (words, of course, can’t do justice but since you seem adept at them, give it a go). PS: I feel compelled to add that I don't pretend to "get" anything, let alone "it" but will share what experience I have. No guru status claimed. |
By simply listening to music for years and decades . Through those times from beginnings as gear evolved and it comes naturally. Its not forced or strained or fretted over. It's not some rare gift . Its memory like a reflex. Like anything it comes from experience like a good mechanic tuning a car. He knows the sound. Measurements only confirm his experience of auditory memory . If its such an importance to you to and you think there is some great skill set ... instead of passing your usual judgements, just stand and deliver it. Make your claim and expose yourself. Most just listen with enjoyment in mind . The new characteristics expose themselves against an imbeded memory like a mothers voice. Something known to measure against. We learn it in communicating the subtle changes in a voice for joy and anger etc. So kind of out of the womb in way actually , yes. How much you wish to focus and interpret is purely an individual thing. Now what about a gramophone..... https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=rowan+atkinson+selling+stereos&view=detail&mid=AC3444C6... |
I am with @whart hint #1 Multi track studio stuff like Year of the Cat will just lead the cat to chase own tail….re detail, “ wow I never heard that before “ path. Fake leading edge detail….very hi fi. A steady diet of live unamplified music in reverberant space is the path i took. Field recordings of same. Microphone selection placement, etc. Of course i had mentors and sensei, again only the humble student can abide a teacher… for multitrack Humble yourself to the greats. Alan Parsons used….wait for it… B and W monitors to craft DsotM…. Measure the room, use modern tools, the RT60 target for a control room is .60 ish. Try using your tape measure for that… One of my sensei is stopping by this weekend w a Moog analog vintage synth…..we will see first hand in the exact same acoustic space how the reference system does…. i expect we shall find some flaws, grist for the improvement mill. |
You can’t hit a target until you know where it is. In this case meaning you have to have heard “the sound” before you have any chance of reproducing it. To know that sound you seek means training the ear to recognize it when you hear it. Training the ear means listening to the things you seek to reproduce and stashing that image away in your mind so it is there for reference. Other than that the devil is in the details and YMMV. Choose your cliche. No two people ever focus on exactly the same thing ever in exactly the same way. Sound included. Maybe if a bomb goes off next to them they might. Also ears are instruments and no two are alike. So given all this variability and natural chaos no surprise the results are also highly variable when it comes to what things matter most to a listener and how. To expect similar results from people based on one persons absolute frame of reference is totally delusional. It will never happen. So the only way really to know why those particular people did not respond as expected would be to have that discussion with them. Others cannot read their minds needless to say. Cheers! |